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Posted by joshmanders 9/8/2025

iPhone dumbphone(stopa.io)
695 points | 396 commentspage 4
whoamii 9/9/2025|
What’s wrong with Screen Time and having your spouse define the PIN for it? I can request an additional minute myself, but after that only my spouse can grant me an exception.
andhuman 9/9/2025||
Well, you need a spouse.
littlecranky67 9/9/2025||
You can also use an online time-lock service such as lockmeout.online to store the PIN for ScreenTime or assistive access (even better as it dumb down the UI).
Aerbil313 9/10/2025||
Years ago I had this problem, but I didn't know about these services, so I had to keep the PIN data myself without being able to access it on a whim. I developed timelock for this purpose: https://github.com/rayanamal/timelock
roxolotl 9/8/2025||
> It’s common to rack up 4 hours or more of screen time a day on your phone. Here’s one way to see the cost of that: every 20 years, you lose 5 years of your waking time looking at your phone.

This is interesting because I suspect most people use their phone while doing other things. I’m in a meeting commenting on this article with my phone. I’ve got maybe 15min a day of “I’m only paying attention to my phone” but I have 4-5 hours of phone screen time. Maybe I’m unusual though.

jerlam 9/8/2025||
Seems way too common. People pull out their phone at every commercial break, lull in conversation, or stoplight. People's attention span is cooked.
jefozabuss 9/9/2025|||
You also accumulate screen time if you are using navigation while commuting, etc. I easily rack up 2 hours daily just from driving to my workplace and back home, so there are definitely some "passive" ways to increase those numbers.

I think focusing on numerical stats here is also a bit of a problem and while making these guardrails might help some people but the main issue should be addressed (overconsumption/addiction).

I wonder by reducing the screen time of the phone, how the screen time of the other devices (computer/tv/etc) changed.

npteljes 9/9/2025||
Same here. I also "watch youtube" while doing chores, and the screen is on all the time, because while I mostly listen to the voice, sometimes they show things that I want to see immediately. A second use is that I'm monitoring something using my phone, so it sits around as a second screen basically.

So really, the phone is often a "second monitor".

cwoolfe 9/9/2025||
It is possible to supervise your phone AND keep all your data. I've done it to my phone. https://www.techlockdown.com/guides/restore-full-backup-supe... When you do it, be sure to Disable Stolen Device Protection and "Find my iPhone" on both devices.
dado3212 9/8/2025||
I ended up doing this with Screen Time, but not knowing my own passcode. Having a partner or close friend is generally the approach I'd recommend, but you can also do this with iPhone Mirroring — I wrote up a how to guide in https://blog.alexbeals.com/posts/setting-an-unknown-screen-t....
-t0mm 9/9/2025||
This is very cool to see.

I've been playing around with the idea of getting an old iphone just for car play and dumbphone purposes. However, I always discarded the idea due to the lack of control iOS gives you in restricting and customizing certain things. But now, this Apple configurator gives me a bit more motivation to make that jump, even though I probably wont be able to use it for all my specific needs.

I also ended up experimenting for a few months with the Samsung G1650 which runs Android 6.0 Marshmallow. I was able to get apps like Termux and other utilities on it which made my experience what I wanted while also not compromising on having no modern messaging apps like WhatsApp and Signal. It wasnt a complete dumbphone per se, but it was almost impossible to doomscroll or browse the internet on that phone.

In the end I stopped using my G1650 due to the fact that it was too tedious waiting 5+ minutes for poorly optimized apps like Spotify/Taxi apps to load. Also, the phone became expontentially slower with more storage being used, which is expected since wasnt really made to storage gigs of message and media logs.

SoftTalker 9/9/2025||
"you can actually disable the App Store! This is a marvelous win."

I thought this one was weird, personally. The App Store is among those I use least on my phone. I only open it when there is a specific new app I want to install (which is rare; I have maybe a dozen apps installed that didn't come with my phone). I easly go months without opening the App Store.

Are there people just browsing the App Store daily?

jagaerglad 9/9/2025||
Well if you disable App Store you cannot re-install apps you find distracting that you have removed. I actually remove Play store from my android through the debug shell for this exact reason. And yes, it happens that when all other apps are gone, things like Ebay, Foodora, App store etc are scrolled mindlessly, it's a hierarchy of stimulation, you remove one and move on to the next best one. Congratulations that you don't have adhd, it's hell
ozkatz 9/9/2025||
I think the idea is that you do not install time wasters (social media?) apps before disabling the app store. This way, even if tempted, you won't be able to doomscroll on Instagram because you cannot install it.
gruez 9/8/2025||
>"Dumbphone"

>installs e-reader apps, password apps, ridehailing/rental apps, music apps, gym apps, dev apps, home apps, "Your Internet Provider" apps (?)

???

I get that some of these are essential, but including home automation and gym apps is really pushing the definition of a "dumb phone". It just sounds like the author wants to avoid installing tiktok and games when he's talking about a "dumb phone".

stopachka 9/8/2025||
Author here:

Ultimately all of these apps were essential for me. "Your Internet Provider" is a funny one -- for some reason XFinity kept failing to charge my credit card. I would come home to find an angry girlfriend without WiFI. I had to install the app to keep some tabs on it, until their autopayment bug was fixed.

One thing I like about this setup is that you can decide which apps are 'essential' for you.

gruez 9/8/2025||
>I had to install the app to keep some tabs on it, until their autopayment bug was fixed.

There's no web portal? If so, having the app might make the experience more pleasant, but it's hardly "essential".

stopachka 9/8/2025||
You know what, fair point. I deleted XFinity from my phone, and removed it from the essay.

I originally did this because the negative experience of losing the internet was really high, but on reflection I think I'll have other warning signs. They did try to call

giancarlostoro 9/8/2025||
A dumb phone should really be like... 3 retro style games, calculator, sms and calling.

I'd argue you can just stick to default iPhone apps and be fine.

darrmit 9/8/2025||
I've tried so many things like this over the years and considered Configurator, but my only Apple computer at this point is a corporate Mac that blocks USB access to my phone. It's a great idea, and I'm glad to see it documented.

That said, the biggest shift I encountered in my own phone usage was when I got an Aro box [1]. It's expensive (I got one refurbished), but pretty, and functional, and it has made a HUGE difference in my phone habits. I no longer keep my phone in my bedroom and when I catch myself ignoring those around me in favor of my phone, I can hard cut that off by putting it in the box.

I like the idea of simplifying your phone with software tweaks like this, but I have found the physical separation to be the most freeing, and encourage that if you're interested in freeing yourself from the screen.

[1] https://www.goaro.com/for-families

dnlzro 9/8/2025||
> Maybe you’re at a restaurant and they need you to open a website for example. You may end up having to bug some people around you for their phone. It can be annoying but I haven’t found this to be too troublesome.

I have been using a profile-based restricted iPhone setup for about 6 months now, and this has been the biggest holdup for me. I've pretty successfully blocked almost everything distracting, but I'm pretty good at finding ways to bypass my restrictions. e.g., I'll find an alternative Reddit client (like Redlib) to bypass my Reddit blocks.

The obvious solution is to use a whitelist instead of a blacklist, but then you completely lose the ability to scan QR codes in the wild.

I'm thinking of building a browser designed for this purpose. Your browsing can begin at certain pre-defined entrypoints, like a news aggregator or a QR code, but you can't manually enter arbitrary URLs or use search engines.

laweijfmvo 9/9/2025||
They have menus. Every place I’ve been to (post-Covid) that tries to force the “use-your-phone” thing brought me a menu when I asked and said I didn’t have my phone.
stopachka 9/8/2025||
> Your browsing can begin at certain pre-defined entrypoints, like a news aggregator or a QR code

I would definitely use this.

pmarreck 9/9/2025|
My idea to give my son a dumbed-down phone one day was to only install a terminal on it, and maybe chatgpt. And give him access to a server via tailscale. Then he could do whatever a terminal could do, except without the audiovisual or socialnetworking dopamine fixes. And retain all the basic phone functionality.
jonfromsf 9/9/2025|
He needs uber. He needs google maps. Mostly it's not just about looking up information, it's about functionality.
piperswe 9/9/2025|||
Who "needs" Uber or Google Maps? Especially a kid?
pmarreck 9/12/2025||||
I could permit those apps.
teeeeeegz 9/9/2025|||
And convenience too, to an extent
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