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Posted by joshmanders 5 days ago

iPhone dumbphone(stopa.io)
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cwoolfe 4 days ago|
It is possible to supervise your phone AND keep all your data. I've done it to my phone. https://www.techlockdown.com/guides/restore-full-backup-supe... When you do it, be sure to Disable Stolen Device Protection and "Find my iPhone" on both devices.
SoftTalker 4 days ago||
"you can actually disable the App Store! This is a marvelous win."

I thought this one was weird, personally. The App Store is among those I use least on my phone. I only open it when there is a specific new app I want to install (which is rare; I have maybe a dozen apps installed that didn't come with my phone). I easly go months without opening the App Store.

Are there people just browsing the App Store daily?

jagaerglad 4 days ago||
Well if you disable App Store you cannot re-install apps you find distracting that you have removed. I actually remove Play store from my android through the debug shell for this exact reason. And yes, it happens that when all other apps are gone, things like Ebay, Foodora, App store etc are scrolled mindlessly, it's a hierarchy of stimulation, you remove one and move on to the next best one. Congratulations that you don't have adhd, it's hell
ozkatz 4 days ago||
I think the idea is that you do not install time wasters (social media?) apps before disabling the app store. This way, even if tempted, you won't be able to doomscroll on Instagram because you cannot install it.
-t0mm 4 days ago||
This is very cool to see.

I've been playing around with the idea of getting an old iphone just for car play and dumbphone purposes. However, I always discarded the idea due to the lack of control iOS gives you in restricting and customizing certain things. But now, this Apple configurator gives me a bit more motivation to make that jump, even though I probably wont be able to use it for all my specific needs.

I also ended up experimenting for a few months with the Samsung G1650 which runs Android 6.0 Marshmallow. I was able to get apps like Termux and other utilities on it which made my experience what I wanted while also not compromising on having no modern messaging apps like WhatsApp and Signal. It wasnt a complete dumbphone per se, but it was almost impossible to doomscroll or browse the internet on that phone.

In the end I stopped using my G1650 due to the fact that it was too tedious waiting 5+ minutes for poorly optimized apps like Spotify/Taxi apps to load. Also, the phone became expontentially slower with more storage being used, which is expected since wasnt really made to storage gigs of message and media logs.

roxolotl 4 days ago||
> It’s common to rack up 4 hours or more of screen time a day on your phone. Here’s one way to see the cost of that: every 20 years, you lose 5 years of your waking time looking at your phone.

This is interesting because I suspect most people use their phone while doing other things. I’m in a meeting commenting on this article with my phone. I’ve got maybe 15min a day of “I’m only paying attention to my phone” but I have 4-5 hours of phone screen time. Maybe I’m unusual though.

jerlam 4 days ago||
Seems way too common. People pull out their phone at every commercial break, lull in conversation, or stoplight. People's attention span is cooked.
jefozabuss 4 days ago|||
You also accumulate screen time if you are using navigation while commuting, etc. I easily rack up 2 hours daily just from driving to my workplace and back home, so there are definitely some "passive" ways to increase those numbers.

I think focusing on numerical stats here is also a bit of a problem and while making these guardrails might help some people but the main issue should be addressed (overconsumption/addiction).

I wonder by reducing the screen time of the phone, how the screen time of the other devices (computer/tv/etc) changed.

npteljes 4 days ago||
Same here. I also "watch youtube" while doing chores, and the screen is on all the time, because while I mostly listen to the voice, sometimes they show things that I want to see immediately. A second use is that I'm monitoring something using my phone, so it sits around as a second screen basically.

So really, the phone is often a "second monitor".

amirathi 4 days ago||
Just uninstalling the endless scrolling apps (Twitter, Reddit, Instagram etc.) was enough for me.
amilios 4 days ago||
Unfortunately some of us use Instagram specifically to keep in touch with people (IG DMs). and Meta does not seem to want to split off the messaging from the main app the same way they did with FB messenger for some reason (I would love it if they did). For Twitter, some of us need it for work as well (lots of interesting AI research published directly to Twitter). Reddit is definitely pure entertainment yeah. But there are nuances.
madaxe_again 4 days ago|||
Twitter, I uninstalled the app and used via the browser for about a year until I finally gave it the boot outright.

Similarly, I felt I needed it to “keep in touch” with people, but I ultimately decided the psychic tax was too high to maintain some lukewarm friendships when I have perfectly good ones in meatspace.

balder1991 4 days ago|||
But you can talk to people on Instagram from FB Messenger.
amilios 4 days ago||
https://help.instagram.com/654906392080948

Doesn't seem like this is possible anymore?

at-fates-hands 4 days ago||
This was a huge one for me. Remember spending so much time posting and reading twitter and insta feeds when I was in car with my wife. Totally different now. We talk and converse about what's going on with our kids, stuff at work, its way better. We both feel much more connected.

I also turned off all notifications from all my apps, period end of story. My battery lasts for days and its not completely distracting. Made a huge difference in my ability to focus.

dado3212 4 days ago||
I ended up doing this with Screen Time, but not knowing my own passcode. Having a partner or close friend is generally the approach I'd recommend, but you can also do this with iPhone Mirroring — I wrote up a how to guide in https://blog.alexbeals.com/posts/setting-an-unknown-screen-t....
gruez 4 days ago||
>"Dumbphone"

>installs e-reader apps, password apps, ridehailing/rental apps, music apps, gym apps, dev apps, home apps, "Your Internet Provider" apps (?)

???

I get that some of these are essential, but including home automation and gym apps is really pushing the definition of a "dumb phone". It just sounds like the author wants to avoid installing tiktok and games when he's talking about a "dumb phone".

stopachka 4 days ago||
Author here:

Ultimately all of these apps were essential for me. "Your Internet Provider" is a funny one -- for some reason XFinity kept failing to charge my credit card. I would come home to find an angry girlfriend without WiFI. I had to install the app to keep some tabs on it, until their autopayment bug was fixed.

One thing I like about this setup is that you can decide which apps are 'essential' for you.

gruez 4 days ago||
>I had to install the app to keep some tabs on it, until their autopayment bug was fixed.

There's no web portal? If so, having the app might make the experience more pleasant, but it's hardly "essential".

stopachka 4 days ago||
You know what, fair point. I deleted XFinity from my phone, and removed it from the essay.

I originally did this because the negative experience of losing the internet was really high, but on reflection I think I'll have other warning signs. They did try to call

giancarlostoro 4 days ago||
A dumb phone should really be like... 3 retro style games, calculator, sms and calling.

I'd argue you can just stick to default iPhone apps and be fine.

snaky2929 3 days ago||
Here's what worked for me - after trying screen limits, nokia phones

1. Remove all social media apps from iPhone 2. Use Opal in deep focus mode to block apps and websites (I can't exit the deep focus mode - but I allow myself a 2 hour window when deepfocus isn't active) 3. Keep my phone inside my bag - out of sight out of mind 4. Remove "tap to wake up" in settings - you'll have to click the side button to see the screen 5. Deleted slack and email - was hesitant about missing important notifications, but decided to try for a week and realized it made no difference to my work

pmarreck 4 days ago||
My idea to give my son a dumbed-down phone one day was to only install a terminal on it, and maybe chatgpt. And give him access to a server via tailscale. Then he could do whatever a terminal could do, except without the audiovisual or socialnetworking dopamine fixes. And retain all the basic phone functionality.
jonfromsf 4 days ago|
He needs uber. He needs google maps. Mostly it's not just about looking up information, it's about functionality.
piperswe 4 days ago|||
Who "needs" Uber or Google Maps? Especially a kid?
pmarreck 1 day ago||||
I could permit those apps.
teeeeeegz 4 days ago|||
And convenience too, to an extent
dlazaro 4 days ago|
> Maybe you’re at a restaurant and they need you to open a website for example. You may end up having to bug some people around you for their phone. It can be annoying but I haven’t found this to be too troublesome.

I have been using a profile-based restricted iPhone setup for about 6 months now, and this has been the biggest holdup for me. I've pretty successfully blocked almost everything distracting, but I'm pretty good at finding ways to bypass my restrictions. e.g., I'll find an alternative Reddit client (like Redlib) to bypass my Reddit blocks.

The obvious solution is to use a whitelist instead of a blacklist, but then you completely lose the ability to scan QR codes in the wild.

I'm thinking of building a browser designed for this purpose. Your browsing can begin at certain pre-defined entrypoints, like a news aggregator or a QR code, but you can't manually enter arbitrary URLs or use search engines.

laweijfmvo 4 days ago||
They have menus. Every place I’ve been to (post-Covid) that tries to force the “use-your-phone” thing brought me a menu when I asked and said I didn’t have my phone.
stopachka 4 days ago||
> Your browsing can begin at certain pre-defined entrypoints, like a news aggregator or a QR code

I would definitely use this.

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