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Posted by CharlesW 9/8/2025

All clickwheel iPod games have now been preserved for posterity(arstechnica.com)
266 points | 64 commentspage 2
chmod775 9/10/2025|
Reminds of those games Archos (Gmini or AV?) devices had decades ago. Some of them were quite neat.
black_puppydog 9/10/2025|
dear god I had forgotten Achos. I had a Gmini 120 and loved it. :)
Tepix 9/10/2025||
Great to see this piece of history preserved. We need more innovative game controllers!
ksynwa 9/10/2025||
Sorry but I have a tangential question. What is the state of portable music players these days? Are there any that are good and reasonably priced?
bondarchuk 9/10/2025||
https://www.rockbox.org/wiki/TargetStatus

I have one of AIGO EROS Q / EROS K / AGPTek H3 / HIFI WALKER H2 / Surfans F20 with Rockbox and it's great. And the existence of reasonably prices half-terabyte SD cards is obviously a great improvement too.

unfitted2545 9/10/2025|||
A used iPod (probably flashed with the open source Rockbox firmware) for the cool factor and reducing ewaste. This is an amazing guide: https://yuuiko.github.io/iPodGuide/iPodGuidev2-1.pdf that gives recommendations on what model and the mods you can do. I have a 5.5 gen with an SD card mod all for £50.

Edit: Actually, I forgot the eBay listing said it was a 5.5 gen but the serial number when I got it was just 5th gen, and I got a full refund! £20 in total then.

echelon_musk 9/10/2025|||
The CPU in the iPod Video is a measly 80MHz compared to the 216MHz iPod Classic. I'd recommend anyone to buy a Classic.
mannyv 9/12/2025||
The DAC in the video 5.5 series was considered to be much better (Wolfson).
echelon_musk 9/13/2025||
https://old.reddit.com/r/ipod/comments/qzjugl/cirrus_vs_wolf...
StrangeSound 9/10/2025|||
To add to that, here's a guide for the actual modding process - https://opista.com/posts/ipod-classic-modding-guide
aa-jv 9/10/2025|||
FIIO's M21 looks pretty decent:

https://www.fiio.com/m21

Its an audiophile market now, you know .. gold buttons sound better, and all that.

taneliv 9/10/2025|||
"Buy now" button goes to a 404 page? Or maybe I need to be on a Chinese VPN, who knows these days.

(Anyway, I was merely interested in the price range, and probably not actually buying.)

Sony Walkman series also has nifty looking devices, but way over my budget (even the entry level model).

aa-jv 9/10/2025||
Dunno whats up with their "Buy Now" button, other than its not unusual for manufacturers to not actually sell their products direct.

Amazon has it listed for 220euro's, which is a reasonable price imho.

Of course there are other manufacturers out there, this is just the one I know about ..

pjerem 9/10/2025|||
"reasonably priced"
mystifyingpoi 9/10/2025|||
It's not really a mp3 player that a regular person would use anyway. Seems to be all on high-res audio and high power output for the headphones. No casual music listener needs that.
aa-jv 9/10/2025|||
$300 is reasonable, imho. Cheaper than an iPhone anyway.
IlikeKitties 9/10/2025|||
https://boards.4chan.org/g/thread/106533110
crims0n 9/10/2025|||
I wanted to dip my toes in and bought a HiBy R4, it is now my primary music player and I have no regrets. Fair warning, it can kick off a headphone rabbit hole.
ksynwa 9/10/2025||
Wow that looks really nice. Any idea if the player is able to handle R128_* loudness normalisation tags? I couldn't find any information about it online.
crims0n 9/11/2025||
Apologies I am unfamiliar with it... if you can point me to a sample I would be happy to try.
t-3 9/11/2025|||
Yes, but you need spend apple-level money on obscure Chinese stuff that looks suspiciously like a cheap android phone with no cell modem, or you can spend relatively very small amounts on cheap players with wildly varying software and hardware quality, or you can buy and refurbish a used ipod.
mkbkn 9/10/2025|||
Replaced with usually expensive (as compared to non-Applle devices) "digital audio players".
DecentShoes 9/10/2025|||
Mod an iPod with hundreds of gigabytes of SD storage, a bigger battery, and bluetooth
mkbkn 9/10/2025|||
By the way, take a look at Snowsky Echo Mini
rokkamokka 9/10/2025||
Normally, a phone with a streaming app or large SD card.
nanna 9/10/2025||
Any chance to install these games on Rockbox?
q3k 9/10/2025|
Technically doable but you'd have to put in a bunch of effort (effectively reimplement the stock OS's API surface, which includes OpenGL for later devices).

I also think these games are still not decrypted - some previous ones were, but the methodology was not made public. The decryption routine in the devices I've looked at is obfuscated, so it might be easier to modify the firmware to save decrypted blobs than reimplement it.

black_puppydog 9/10/2025|
Okay, now all we need is to port them to the tangara. :D
Pfhortune 9/10/2025|
I wanted to love the Tangara... The dearth of actual buttons killed it for me. I have shelved it in favor of modding up my iPod 5 with BT + USB-C (with the moonlit.market kit).