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Posted by freediver 5 days ago

The value of bringing a telephoto lens(avidandrew.com)
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skylurk 23 hours ago|
With hugin* and some patience a telephoto is the only lens you need ;)

I jest but you can actually get cool effects with the right projections.

*https://hugin.sourceforge.io/

weinzierl 1 day ago||
In the beginning of digital photography I shot mostly zooms. I thought fixed focal length photography was pretentious snobbery. Selecting a set of lenses, lugging them around and constantly changing them. Who has time for that?

Around flickr's prime I decided to write a little script that analyzed the EXIF of my photo catalog for actually used focal lengths and lo and behold they were pretty much centered around 50 mm. The fall-off to wider angles was pretty steep but for the longer focal lengths it only was pronounced after around 80 mm.

So, I got my self a fast nifty-fifty and I shoot it on APS-C (~80 mm) and full frame (50 mm) since. It is not quite telephoto territory but I'd say it gives you a result distinctly different from smartphone photography, especially the 80 mm.

bcraven 1 day ago||
I have used this tool to run the same analysis with Lightroom:

https://www.lightroomdashboard.com/

(Turns out I love 35mm on my Fujis)

mcdeltat 14 hours ago|||
This is funny, at one point I became convinced 50mm is too "boring" of a focal length, and almost sold mine. Then I realised some of my best shots were taken at 50mm. It's a good neutral perspective when the scene is already composed well as seen by the eye's perspective (approximately).
anta40 1 day ago||
>> I thought fixed focal length photography was pretentious snobbery

Ask any Leica M users (both film and digital). Normally they only use primes to achieve compact setup. Any Leica user is automatically a snob, right?

Joking aside, I have nothing against zoom. For travelling, usually I don't need anything beside 24-70. Not a really compact setup, obviously, so need to downsize the image sensor. On APSC it would be 16-55. Or on MFT, it would be... hmm 12-40?

matthews3 23 hours ago||
> Normally they only use primes to achieve compact setup

There are the two Tri-Elmar-M lenses (16-18-21, and 28-35-50) which select between discrete focal lengths instead of zooming continuously :-)

xnx 1 day ago||
It's a shame you have to choose between devices with excellent optics and terrible software/processing (DSLRs) and devices with excellent software/processing but severely limited optics (phones).
jiggawatts 20 hours ago|
It would be great if the software stack on full frame cameras was more open to third party developers. Samsung tried this with a fork of Android as the base camera OS but the product fizzled in the market.
esafak 1 day ago||
I shoot candid and I am at the age and stage where my philosophy is simply "Just bring anything and take the picture". Tomorrow's technology will easily fix it; it's already pretty close.

Former Magnum and NatGeo photographer David Alan Harvey can get by with a cell phone.

I will say that shooting with a camera was way more engaging, active, exciting in the moment. And I haven't done studio photography in years. But I still take pictures that give people joy, and that's ultimately what counts.

mhb 21 hours ago||
Just bring anything and take the picture

f/8 and Be There:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/F/8_and_be_there

traceroute66 1 day ago||
> Former Magnum and NatGeo photographer David Alan Harvey can get by with a cell phone.

I reluctantly joined them last year after selling my DSLR and lens collection.

I enjoyed my many DSLR years, but recently its become problematic :

     1. The whole personal security thing, the world has changed and not in a good way.  The number of places you can comfortably walk around with $$$ worth of camera kit in a bag ... LET ALONE take the camera out of the bag without needing eyes at the back of your head is decreasing FAST.

     2. I got sick and tired of being subjected to secondary screening at airports in certain parts of the world where the security guys are not used to seeing a bag of DSLR kit and/or it being a country where they are "sensitive" about what long-lenses can be (theoretically) used for.

     3. The whole insurance thing has become a pain the backside.  Premiums constantly increasing, but more importantly, so do all the get-out clauses which means you struggle to find a policy that deals with the reality of traveling with cameras.
So, yeah, previously I would sneer at the iPhone brigade. Now I've joined their ranks.
kqr 1 day ago||
Great idea to showcase Darktables advanced masking functionality! That and wavelet decomposition are areas where Darktable easily beats the incumbent Adobe Lightroom.
vjvjvjvjghv 1 day ago|
It's hard to beat the Lightroom AI masking though.
NoiseBert69 1 day ago||
I'm moving to the opposite direction.

For my next trip I'll bringing the Tamron 15-30mm and a D850. That lens is crazy sharp and for getting a full 45MPx resolution picture you often need a very good stabilizer even at "normal" exposure times.

(That problem is pretty much solved for modern mirrorless systems. They have very efficient in-camera stabilizers.)

Quite heavy setup. But it covers 95% of my photographic style without changing lenses too often.

fallinditch 1 day ago||
I often use the 5x telephoto lens on my phone - the increased depth of field you get with small phone sensors means that the compression of the planes is exaggerated, with medium distance planes in focus as well as thebackground. This is an interesting effect in its own right, not always what you want, but a distinctive look that can work well.
syncsynchalt 1 day ago||
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dogleash 1 day ago||
I'm not much of a photographer even by amateur standards, so I figured my phone would be good enough to take some vacation photos for the memories.

A third of my phone shots are bad because I didn't have a telephoto lens, and half of those are just garbage.

I have a soda can size 55-210 and I'm never using lightweight travel as an excuse to not bring it again.

stavros 1 day ago||
I got a Sony RX-100 for trips, I recommend it, the image quality is great and it has quite a bit of zoom (though I forget the exact lengths).

I also have a 5D, and the 95% of the difference between the 5D and the RX-100 is the increased ergonomics, so if you aren't shooting seriously/professionally, you don't really have to bother with anything above a cheap, good Sony.

AlecSchueler 1 day ago||
> a soda can size 55-210

Anything you would recommend?

9x39 23 hours ago|||
Canon, Sony, Fuji, Nikon. Lenses map to camera system bodies, so it's hard to just recommend a particular lens to someone without context.

I personally think most brands' 70-200 f/2.8 delight more than any 55-210 'kit' lens, which is often f/3.5-5.6. This is just based on my experience and letting people who have never used an interchangeable lens camera take and develop shots.

If someone is serious and going to step up from a cellphone to do some of this, my advice is to not mess around with something cheap like the discounted old APS-C body and lens kits that are usually outperformed by a cell.

Get a recent mirrorless body with good IBIS, and buy a nice prime and a telephoto zoom. High resolution (40-60MP) bodies can enable some tremendous landscape or crop opportunities. Focus on what a dedicated camera does better than a phone - interchangeable lenses, incredible autofocus and high shutter speed action, bokeh and compression (lens dependent), etc. Full-frame 35mm vs APS-C is the primary decision you have to make, any kit you're getting is affected by it.

The physics of bigger lenses, quality of esp. the full-frame lenses, the quality of the large sensors are a real treat for even new photographers.

mauvehaus 1 day ago||||
I'd like to second GP's reply and add that if you get a full-frame mirrorless camera and a couple of adapters, the world is your oyster for cheap, old lenses on eBay.

Figure out what you like on the cheap, and if you want to upgrade to a modern lens, you know what you're seeking for comparatively little money.

Technical version: Infinity focus is determined by how close the lens gets to the focal plane of the film or sensor. The various lens mount standards (some manufacturer specific, some widely genericized) specify the distance between the mounting flange and the focal plane. Mirrorless cameras can have a smaller flange distance than SLR's (because there's no mirror that has to swing through the space), and so you can optically adapt pretty much anything to mirrorless.

Optically being the operative word. You'll lose metering modes that depend on the camera getting info from the lens by either physical or electrical means. If you're shooting landscapes or product, this is unlikely to be a problem. If you're shooting action, you may want to disregard this suggestion.

EDITED TO ADD:

I haven't kept up with the mirrorless world since I bought mine, but if you're doing this get one where the image stabilization is implemented in the body.

kqr 1 day ago||
Depends on what kind of action. Sunny 16 and hyperfocal distance lets you get away with a lot.
dogleash 1 day ago|||
Nope, I'm at the stage where making the best of cheap used gear is still way above my skill level. My opinions are worse than useless.
MartijnBraam 1 day ago|
I always bring my telephoto lens. Since moving to a full frame camera I'm using a 70-300 most of the time and I rarely want a wider lens, more often I wish I brought my 600mm instead.

I also brought a 85mm prime which has been a lot of fun, while at the same time I've been lugging around a 35mm prime and barely used it.

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