Top
Best
New

Posted by ChrisArchitect 5 days ago

Tomorrow's emoji today: Unicode 17.0(jenniferdaniel.substack.com)
203 points | 381 commentspage 2
keybored 5 days ago|
Unicode with an emphasis on emoji is HN ragebait. Out of all the things, people get really upset that U+1F9B0 EMOJI COMPONENT RED HAIR is taking up codepoint space.
karel-3d 5 days ago||
In 2017, I adopted a black woman in a steamy room emoji. (at https://aac.unicode.org/sponsors )

I am saddened that in 2025 she still fails to render in a lot of contexts.

(ZWJ sequence combining Person in Steamy Room, Dark Skin Tone, Zero Width Joiner and Female Sign.)

wodenokoto 5 days ago|
Can you link to somewhere that can render it? I cannot imagine what this emoji would be.
karel-3d 5 days ago||
https://emojipedia.org/woman-in-steamy-room-dark-skin-tone

edit: and now I see Slack can finally render her correctly - :woman_in_steamy_room::skin-tone-6:

I take it all back then. Slack can do it correctly now

bogdart 5 days ago||
They need to stop. The list is becoming ridiculously long.
Rendello 5 days ago||
Hacker News will bias against emoji. Certainly there is a question of whether the consortium should keep adding emoji, which ones to add, whether emoji should be encoded in the first place, etc.

For perspective, this update also brings 4316 new CJK (Chinese, Japanese, and Korean) characters, which "pushes the number of CJK ideographs to over 100,000" (quoting from the release).

km3r 5 days ago|||
Not that its what should determine the ideal length, computing power has gone up significantly faster than the number of characters in Unicode (chatGPT gives me characters ^ 7 = flops).
elric 5 days ago||
It does all seem utterly ridiculous. Both in terms of what's included and in terms of what isn't included. Pictographic-language-by-committee is probably the worst way of designing anything. ~4000 emoji, the choices range from infantile to offensive (to some).

We've had to rebuild multi-gigabyte database tables to change collations so people could use emojis in silly places. But hey, at least we'll be able to include a Hairy Creature emoji soon. Sigh.

WalterBright 5 days ago||
> thousands of new characters, new scripts, new symbols, and of course… new emoji.

Just pointless madness.

AlexeyBelov 4 days ago|
Can you elaborate?
WalterBright 3 days ago||
Picture languages have all evolved into phonetic alphabets, because picture languages simply do not work. For example, you cannot look up a picture in a dictionary. You cannot look for it in an index. You cannot type it in, you have to search for it by scrolling through pages of them. You cannot tell if an icon for a duck is meant to represent a duck or a bird.

And where does one stop in adding pictures?

Rendello 3 days ago||
I'm always interested in seeing how logographic writing systems solve issues with input, encoding, indexing, and the like.

When I text my Japanese friends, we tend to use a lot of emoji and (in-app) stickers. I think emoji have such a hold in Japan because 1. there's a big "cute" culture there, and 2. Japanese language is largely icon-based (logographic) already.

When I see emoji all over Reddit comments, Github READMEs, and code docs, I feel a frustrating culture mismatch. I'm glad HN strips them. But, there are situations where I use emoji and like them a lot.

WalterBright 3 days ago||
One reason I patronize HN is because it doesn't allow emoji pollution.
chamomeal 5 days ago||
So when Unicode releases a bunch of emojis, is it kinda like releasing a spec? Like Apple/android then has to have their designers go and actually draw all of the emojis from the spec?
cedilla 5 days ago||
In principle yes, but of course they don't have to. It's their own choice to have bespoke drawings. They also could just refuse to add the new emoji and just show �.
Rendello 3 days ago|||
It's also worth noting that the consortium is made up of members from big tech companies, among others:

https://unicode.org/consortium/directors.html

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unicode_Consortium

int_19h 5 days ago|||
Additionally, quite a few popular apps package their own emoji, at least in part. IIRC Firefox does this on Windows.
npteljes 4 days ago||
Yes. They don't even release a baseline font themselves, it's all up to the people who create fonts to create the drawings. This is dissimilar to how for example the Alliance for Open Media works, where they create the spec, like AV1, and also release a reference version of the codec.
gertrunde 5 days ago||
Probably the one thing I find most frustrating about these current unicode emojis is that they have been extended/evolved so far now that they fail to fulfil their original purpose.

Original purpose: simple/clear way to convey an emotional context to text

Current result: "What the heck is does face even mean?" or "Let's use these symbols as the basic for unintelligible slang."

(Bonus extra issue: Different implementations with subtly different images that imply a slightly different emotional context)

More often than not, I tend to default to basic old text emoticons, as it more clearly expresses the intent.

brodo 5 days ago||
I‘m still a little mad about the fact that there are three alcoholic drink emoji but none for anything hemp-related. There where proposals for including them, but they where rejected. Another case of American puritanism determining online culture.
Dylan16807 5 days ago|
So is there any way to update your installed emoji on windows? I'm stuck on 12.0
More comments...