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Posted by mgh2 2 days ago

Samsung taking market share from Apple in U.S. as foldable phones gain momentum(www.cnbc.com)
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high_na_euv 2 days ago|
Flip phones are really the only phone product that actually excites me
vachina 2 days ago||
Flip phones happened because tech have plateaued, so downstream product development iterated on weird phone casings and keyboard placements.
Mistletoe 2 days ago|||
Why does it excite you?
sheepybloke 2 days ago|||
For me, it's the first true upgrade in the design of a phone in a long time. It's not a slightly better CPU or battery, but a different way to work with this key device in my life. I think it will be the default phone format in ~5 years, especially for younger people.
high_na_euv 2 days ago|||
It reminds me the phones from 2005, they were really cool and smaller in ya pocket
simoncion 2 days ago||
If one is interested in small smartphones, the Unihertz Jelly series of phones might satisfy that interest.

(Amazingly, "small" is roughly the size of the Nexus S... which I found to be the ideal phone size for my large hands.)

jcgl 1 day ago||
I’d love the Jelly, but all of Unihertz’s stuff is basically devoid of software updates :( I’m not gonna buy e-waste.
simoncion 1 day ago||
> I’m not gonna buy e-waste.

e-waste? Their latest phone is running the very same version as the four-year-old Pixel 5a; Android 14.

Incidentally... not only does my Pixel 5a still runs software distributed through the Play Store just fine, its battery life is still quite acceptable.

jcgl 1 day ago||
If you can find me credible evidence that Unihertz will support the device for 5+ years, delivering major version upgrades and timely security patches, then I'll take back what I said. In 2025, a lax approach to the OS lifecycle (especially with security patches) isn't legitimate and respectable.
simoncion 8 hours ago||
> If you can find me credible evidence that Unihertz will support the device for 5+ years, delivering major version upgrades and timely security patches...

You don't even get that with most Pixel phones. Through to the Pixel 5 family, you only get three years of updates, period. Through to the Pixel 7 family, you get an additional two of security updates. It's not until the Pixel 8 family that you're getting what you demand.

That's a lot of "e-waste" that Google only recently stopped generating. ;)

But, honestly? I'm not sure why you consider the current five-years-of-updates policy to not be creating an unacceptable amount of e-waste. I have (and still use) nearly-twenty-year-old laptops with the latest Linux kernel and desktop environment software (& etc) versions available. They work just fine. The only maintenance required has been battery replacement and occasional thermal paste replacement. [0]

Only five years of updates? That's an absolutely absurd policy.

[0] Though, it's not clear that the thermal paste actually needed to be replaced... it was just fun to break out the screwdrivers and service manual.

hulitu 2 days ago||
Can you type with only one hand on a flip phone ?
delecti 2 days ago|||
Do you actually mean "flip"? Because when open, with the screen opened upwards, they have roughly the same dimensions as any modern slab phone. Then it'd come down to whether your hand is big enough to type one-handed on that formfactor (a few women, some men).

If you mean "fold", then probably only while closed, subject to the same hand-size limits. While open, with the screen opened to the left, like a book, they're quite a bit wider than even the largest human hand could reasonably type on.

hu3 2 days ago|||
Sure, just fold it.
nancyminusone 1 day ago||
I still don't think I'll ever be able to trust a foldable phone. Doesn't matter how many videos you show me of "look, we folded it 200,000 times and it didn't break!", I've repaired enough broken wires and accidentally broken enough ribbon cables to want those things as far from my pocket as possible.
broast 2 days ago||
I've had a flip 3 and flip 5 which both had screen and hinge problems within a year. I love the form factor but just don't take it to the beach.

My flip 5 inner screen is currently unusable so I'm stuck using the small square cover screen which I'm enjoying quite a bit too. I don't know if my next phone should be a flip phone or a small phone, but nothing gets as small or as good hardware as the front cover of these flip phones, vs other small phones

frereubu 2 days ago|
I responded in another thread about the iPhone Air that I wanted something from Apple that's smaller than my current iPhone 13 mini. There are at least two of us!
dontlaugh 2 days ago||
If they made a flip style iPhone that closed smaller than the mini and opened to similar size or only a bigger, I’d definitely buy it.
rjh29 2 days ago||
Samsung is no longer leading the pack for folding. They refuse to innovate; Fold 7 is almost identical to Fold 4. Cameras are sub-par and they removed pen support. Meanwhile Honor Magic V5 has pen support on both screens, top of the range cameras, silicon-carbide batteries, and is 4.1mm thick unfolded!
asadotzler 2 days ago||
Almost identical? The Fold 4 was 14.2mm thick and weighed 263g while the Fold 7 is 8.9mm and weighs 215g.

The Z Fold 4 feels like two flagships stacked in your pocket. The Fold 7 is lighter than an iPhone Pro max and only a vinyl sticker thicker. It feels identical to a flagship in your pocket but it's got an 8" screen. Not innovative? Where's Apple's innovation toward an 8" smartphone?

rjh29 1 day ago||
Yes, it's 30% thinner... it still has no innovation with cameras, new battery technology, and removal of pen support? I am not comparing it to apple, I'm comparing it to Honor, OnePlus/Vivo, Xiaomi - China has far more development in the folding phone sector at the moment. Their phones have been consistently thinner and lighter and Samsung is only just beginning to catch up.
jamesblonde 1 day ago||
I have had the fold 7 for 5 weeks (since release day). It's fantastic. My daughter won't touch any other phone now - she loves the big screen. My only gripe is that the fold is a bit tricky to open, otherwise, it's the big breakthrough in phones we have been waiting 10 years for.
AlexandrB 2 days ago||
I just want smaller phones. Where did they all go?
jamesblonde 1 day ago|
They are now also foldable! Z Flip 7 - check it.
Liftyee 1 day ago||
At some point when second-hand folding phones decrease in cost I'd like to get one as a second device just as a compact pocketable datasheet/PDF reader for engineering/electronics work. I think having a tablet sized screen without the bulk would be a huge bonus.

I recently tried an old industrial head-mounted display (Realwear HMT-1), but the display resolution is not good.

ookblah 1 day ago||
the fold 7 genuinely made me want to get a foldable for the first time, was that sleek. if it wasn't for being captive to the apple ecosystem i would strongly consider it (and may do so).

i think with agentic coding now my ideal setup would be to be able to walk away and remote in from my heavy desktop/laptop w/ just my phone and check in on stuff and do some light work, etc.

obviously i would still have my laptop but i wouldn't have to lug it around everywhere.

user34283 1 day ago|
I gave that a try, but it wasn't particularly economic.

I considered buying a keyboard for this case. I then decided against it. Probably carrying a MacBook Air makes more sense if I want to get work done on the go.

That said, I'm happy with my new Pixel 9 PF. It's better than the iPhone 16 Pro Max.

I also own various Apple devices, but I can't say there's any ecosystem integration I particularly miss.

Instead of iCloud I just use Google Drive now. I can still do facetime calls on my Mac. Also I continue to use the Home app on the iPhone.

thebruce87m 2 days ago||
Apple are in a bind here since the bend/crease will degrade over time. Other manufacturers get a pass on this sort of stuff (just look at Pixel phones not making emergency calls for a prime example), but apple will be hit with fines and class action lawsuits.
Zigurd 2 days ago||
Apple sometimes manages to wait out bad ideas: they never gave into the bad idea of touchscreen "convertible" laptops, just conceding the touch bar which is now extinct.
izacus 2 days ago|||
That's a most generous reading of the touchbar fiasco I've ever seen (and I've heard a lot of Apple fans speak).
meatmanek 1 day ago|||
IMO the touchbar was the least-bad thing about my touchbar 2017 MBP. The butterfly keyboard, flexgate, the USB-C ports that lost their ability to retain cables after like 20 insertions, and the overheating and quickly-degrading battery were much bigger issues.

I didn't really get much value out of the touchbar (never really used any per-app touchbar functionality), but it was mostly fine -- I adjusted to the touchbar escape key pretty quickly.

Zigurd 2 days ago||||
I wasn't trying to be generous. I was making a nod toward something like malicious compliance. I used to have a big old Mercedes sedan that had the worst cupholder in automotive history that would break as soon as possible. It was designed to pop out of a slot in the center console. But real German car drivers finish their coffee before stepping into the car. That's how I see the touch bar. It was meant to be awful.
thewebguyd 1 day ago||||
The touchbar would've ben great if they also didn't remove the function rows & escape key.
j_maffe 2 days ago|||
Wait until Apple comes out with a folding phone, they'll say it was the plan all along lol
Liftyee 1 day ago|||
> the bad idea of touchscreen "convertible" laptops

Is it such a bad idea? I use a convertible Thinkpad to take handwritten notes as well as usual laptop duties. Perhaps it just doesn't fit your usecase, it seems that plenty of these laptops are still being made today.

Granted, my previous Gen 1 Thinkpad had constant motherboard and memory issues - not sure if design flaw, lemon, or otherwise. To their credit, Lenovo warranty repaired it and eventually gave an upgrade (my current device) for no charge.

beAbU 2 days ago|||
Don't make it sound like Apple is some sort of victim of regulation who's being picked on the whole time.

They will not get fines and lawsuits if they make a foldable phone with a display that degrades over time.

I do think a move like this will hurt their reputation for making durable devices. They are a victim of their own success a little here.

thebruce87m 2 days ago|||
> Don't make it sound like Apple is some sort of victim of regulation who's being picked on the whole time.

I didn’t say this. I would merely accept other companies being held to the same standard.

> They will not get fines and lawsuits if they make a foldable phone with a display that degrades over time.

This will 100% happen. When it does I will come back and post here.

hu3 2 days ago||
They never got any significant fine for bendgate, "you're holding it wrong", problematic butterfly keyboards or secretly slowing down iphones due to degraded batteries.

Am I missing some other blunder?

thebruce87m 2 days ago||
Antennagate : https://www.theverge.com/2012/2/17/2807511/apple-settles-ant...

Butterfly: https://www.keyboardsettlement.com/

Batterygate: multiple countries. Here’s Canada: https://www.reuters.com/technology/apple-pay-c144-mln-settle... US: https://www.washingtonpost.com/technology/2020/11/18/apple-f...

Nothing for bendgate

Yes, a lot of the time they settle, so no admission of guilt but it still costs them money.

outworlder 2 days ago|||
> They will not get fines and lawsuits if they make a foldable phone with a display that degrades over time.

They got lawsuits because of batteries that degraded over time.

mrguyorama 1 day ago||
They got lawsuits because they purposely chose a battery that would not be sufficient after a few years of use because they wanted a thin phone, and instead of copping to that and providing support for users to cheaply and easily replace such underspecced batteries, they silently updated their OS to just throttle itself to death to "fix" it.

These batteries were not fit for purpose. The phone design was defective. It literally could not manage after normal and expected degradation.

Imagine if, after Microsoft failed to build the Xbox 360 correctly, they just silently throttled all the machines to reduce the chance they would fail, rather than what they had to do, which was replace all the defective machines, 25% of the fleet, on their own dime.

In most countries that aren't the USA, consumers have a right to expect their products to work for some time and be fit for purpose. Apple blatantly violated that right, and used a quiet software update to hide that.

Apple loves to just deny and ignore their design failures. It used to be the norm for Macbooks to just cook their GPU to death, and apple would always refuse to acknowledge such things until they settled the lawsuit and quietly put up some sort of "we will fix this at your expense" program.

fennecbutt 1 day ago||
Well not really. Apple ignored bendgate for ages, they ignored butterfly issues for ages, antennagate as well - to whicjbt they told customers "you're holding it wrong".

As for other manufacturers not being held liable, Galaxy Note 7 had plenty of related lawsuits and customer action holding them accountable amongst many other cases of the same.

Apple is just a company like any other.

ge96 2 days ago|
The newest thin fold looks amazing but I can't justify a $2K phone idk maybe I'm just poor. Like I used to want a Lamborghini Aventador but now I just want a Lotus Exige. $300K seems too much too me but again is it a poor/mindset thing. I think a land would be better use of that money.

Mindset as in levels... I used to be afraid of my $30K student debt while I was in school thinking getting an engineering job that pays $60K would be great but now I make more than that and my debt is also beyond $30K so yeah levels.

ajkjk 2 days ago|
lol, what is going on inside this comment, you're like whiplashing between having preferences and explaining why you should want fancy things but then actually you don't.

like... it's completely okay to not want something expensive not because you're poor but because you just don't want to spend money on it; your preferences for what's worth money to you don't have to be justified to anyone else. Except for maybe your family.

Personally I don't have any desire to buy any of those expensive things at all, because I don't even notice their existence, but that's just me. Seems better to be minimalistic. Similarly, to not have any debt, because why would you want to be more stressed and tied to a job than the minimum possible? But maybe it's different if your friends / social circle cares about shiny things or something.

ge96 2 days ago||
Yeah I'm working on the debt part

The car thing I like driving fast/sporty cars, cheapest one for performance would be an older Corvette but yeah (not saying Lambo is performance, that one it's the looks, Exige though is both though different eg. acceleration/curve handling vs. top speed).

I'm just saying, there was a guy I was talking to who owned a Lambo and he's like "if it went up in flames I'd be fine", it's like I have to get to that headspace or maybe I'm not built that way not sure

But yeah I do go back and forward between wanting things/feeling guilty for being better off than others

ajkjk 1 day ago||
It sounds like you're trying to feel what you're supposed to feel according to other people, and then feeling anxious about that's not how you actually feel? which sounds hard. I'm pretty sure the only way to be that makes any sense, however, is to feel what you actually feel, and if someone tries to make that seem wrong or bad, tell them (mentally or out loud) to fuck off. It's not possible to force yourself to feel differently than you feel--that's, like, what a feeling is. If something makes you think you should modify your feelings, it's wrong, like it's a complete category error; you can only react to them, not will them to change.

Not that I don't fall in the same trap, but, y'know, it's an aspiration.

and personally I'd judge the hell out of someone who owned a lambo and didn't care about it going up in flames. We get it, they want people to think they're so rich that they don't care about their own possessions. All I hear is a person try to say certain things in order to make you find them impressive.

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