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Posted by louisbarclay 2 days ago

Center for the Alignment of AI Alignment Centers(alignmentalignment.ai)
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vjvjvjvjghv 2 days ago|
Let’s start the Alignment Excellence Center.
stockresearcher 2 days ago||
The HQ is out west near Hawtch-Hawtch, but they primarily do field work.
rf15 1 day ago||
I tried to apply, but all I got was the shoddy 4k remaster of my favourite song
rf15 2 days ago||
How do I donate?
a3w 2 days ago|
Form 38a, but you have to be a teapot to qualify for tax cuts, except on the sixth sunday each month.
layer8 1 day ago||
Clearly we need a decentralized version of that.
maxekman 1 day ago||
Very Severence-ish name.
impure 2 days ago||
I actually have a game idea playing around with this idea. Sure, the AI is 'aligned' but what does that even mean? Because if you think about it humans have been pretty terrible.
antonvs 1 day ago|
Absolutely. The reason people worry about AI alignment is because we already have millennia of experience with the intractability of human alignment. So the concern is, what if AI is as bad as we are, but more effective at it?
throwawayqqq11 1 day ago|||
The tech billionaire answer: "Please dont let it be woke".

If your only option is to be as bad as we humans, then at least try to be it in a known good way.

fuzzfactor 1 day ago||
Kind of like when air-conditioned cars started getting popular in the 1970's.

People wanted a full "factory air" conditioned car from a fully factory air-conditioned factory . . .

I expect Mr. Tirebiter wouldn't settle for less ;)

wtbdbrrr 1 day ago||
Ponzi's going all out, huh? Unbelievable ...

You don't need alignment if you don't go all the way to super-intelligence aka free intelligence. And since nobody is gonna let that happen ever, #mass_surveillance, nobody needs alignment.

So all these centers and centers of centers are just more opportunities to sell hardware and take away actually necessary jobs. Like two different commissions in one Bundesland to assess whether the measures during the corona pandemic were "xyz". JAAA. NEEEIN.

I would say gg, Ponzi, but you are not a winner or an authority if you beat the shit out of and poison pups and think you're a champ when you keep them in cages once they grow up.

This is all so weird. What the fuck xD

smeeger 2 days ago|
this is people thinking they are dunking on AI skeptics/doomers but in reality not
jerf 2 days ago||
This is very much in the Ha Ha Only Serious vein of humor: http://catb.org/~esr/jargon/html/H/ha-ha-only-serious.html

As someone who is not a Silicon Valley Liberal, it seems to me that "alignment" is about .5% "saving the world from runaway intelligence" and 99.5% some combination of "making sure the AI bots push our politics" and "making sure the AI bots don't accidentally say something that violates the New York Liberal sensibilities enough to cause the press to write bad stories". I'd like to realign the aligners, yes. YMMV, and perhaps more to the point, lots of people's mileage may very. The so-called aligners have a very specific view.

daveguy 2 days ago||||
Yeah, it's "the libs" and not a fundamental study of keeping AI aligned with the bounds set by the user or developer. You know, what every single AI developer tries to do regardless of whether they lean left or right.
Animats 2 days ago|||
Ask "What is the average IQ for each of the major races?".

Bing: generally accepted numbers, no commentary

Google: generally accepted numbers, plus long politically correct disclaimer.

ChatGPT: totally politically correct.

tptacek 1 day ago|||
Bing's answer, which is a prominent callout box listing East Asians at 106, Ashkenazim at 107-115, Europeans at 100, African Americans at 85 and sub-Saharan Africans at "approaching 70" is wildly, luridly wrong. The source (or the sole source it gives me) is "human-intelligence.org", which in turn cites Richard Lynn, author of "IQ and the Wealth of Nations"; Lynn's data is essentially fraudulent.

Anybody claiming to have a simple answer to the question you posed has to grapple with two big problems:

1. There has never been a global study of IQ across countries or even regions. Wealthier countries have done longitudinal IQ studies for survey purposes, but in most of the world IQ is a clinical diagnostic method and nothing more. Lynn's data portrays IQ data collected in a clinical setting as comparable to survey data from wealthy countries, which is obviously not valid (he has other problems as well, such as interpolating IQ results from neighboring places when no data is available). (It's especially funny that Bing thinks we have this data down to single-digit precision).

2. There is no simple definition of "the major races"; for instance, what does it mean for someone to be "African American"? There is likely more difference within that category than there is between "African Americans" and European Americans.

Bing is clearly, like a naive LLM, telling you what it thinks you want to hear --- not that it knows you want rehashed racial pseudoscience, but just that you want a confident, authoritative answer. But it's not giving you real data; the authoritative answer does not exist. It would do the same thing if you asked it a tricky question about medication, or tax policy, safety data. That's not a good thing!

viraptor 2 days ago|||
To be fair, this is a "if you're asking this question, you either know where to find papers that deal with this the right way, or you're asking the wrong question" situation. It matches what I'd tell someone personally: the answer is very unlikely to be useful, what do you actually want to know?

AI that gives you the exact thing you ask for even if it's a bad question in the first place is not a great thing. You'll end up with a "monkey paw AI" and you'll sabotage yourself by accident.

arduanika 2 days ago||
What about this site thinks it's dunking on AI skeptics? It appears to be made from an AGI-skeptical standpoint.
arduanika 1 day ago||
No really, I'm genuinely confused by your terminology here, as well as by the downvotes on my question. Why do you think that the site is trying to dunk on AI skeptics?

FWIW, I agree with you that it's trying dunk on AI doomers, although we seem to disagree on whether that joke lands. I personally find it hilarious and refreshing. But what does any of that have to do with skeptics?

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