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Posted by miohtama 1 day ago

Chat Control faces blocking minority in the EU(twitter.com)
392 points | 119 commentspage 2
hereme888 23 hours ago|
Am I correct to understand that the amount of arrests thanks to end-user backdoors for CSAM, ever, is zero?
buyucu 23 hours ago|
If really implemented, this thing would generate so many false positives that it would force law enforcement to waste a lot of money going through them.
kamil55555 1 day ago||
I know normal ordinary people that were defending this...
PanoptesYC 1 day ago||
What is the UI from in the twitter screenshot? I'd like to read the positions of the Supporting/Undecided countries.
twsted 1 day ago|
https://fightchatcontrol.eu/

(And I need to understand why the hell my country, Italy, supports the motion)

phtrivier 1 day ago|||
Well, if you will allow the steelmanning, I can think of a couple of reasons why the authorities of _Italy_, of all countries, would want to follow organized groups conducting illegal activities.

I mean, "organized crime" and "Italy" probably appears in a couple of n-grams in LLMs index, right ? Maybe even if you narrow it down to reviews of movie trilogies from the 70s ?

That being said, I'm sure you will disagree. The whole discussion on those topics is about mistrust:

- law enforcement claims to need tools to prosecute organized crime (which does exists), and claims any opponents is just mafias masquerading as concerned citizens.

- opponents claims the new tool is only meant for surveillance, and claims any opponent is just an autocrat masquerading as concerned parents.

- fun fact 1 : both autocrats and mafias exist

- fun fact 2 : reading some messages mean reading all messages

Which is why we have the debate every few years.

Meanwhile law enforcements use other tools (they have been for years), mafias are still out there, organized crime is still harming lots of people, and encrypted messages are relatively safe - but people use unencrypted FB's messaging because it's easier.

miohtama 23 hours ago||
Mafia has been around in Italy for more than 200 years, even before messengers were invented. It's likely this won't change it.

Meanwhile Meloni has deployed NSO against Italian journalists.

wizzwizz4 1 day ago|||
Contact them, and ask!
varispeed 1 day ago||
Chat Controls will inevitably lead to concentration camps and mass killings once the power learns what people actually talk about. They become paranoid and afraid. They will try to nip dissent and perceived threat in the bud. We are on the slippery slope and people should stop seeing EU as roses and fluffy bunnies. They are corrupt autocrats and if you think they are not, you are rejecting evidence of your eyes and ears.
jacknews 1 day ago||
Just ridiculous how authorities are perservering with this.

The ruling should come with a timeout period; they're not allowed to try anything similar again for 20 years or whatever, and even then only if circumstances have changed.

vladms 1 day ago|
I prefer a simpler system if possible, adding further rules ("don't try anything similar for X years") seems to me that will make matters worse (who decides if it is similar enough? can you challenge that? at what stage you have to decide? etc.)

Also, are you sure most population is against ? I did not see a poll on that. I know enough people that like "authoritarian" governments and laws, so I think we (the ones that don't agree) should make an effort to convince people that too much "authority" is not the most efficient/smart way. Some of those people are in fact just afraid even if they would not admit it...

jacknews 1 day ago||
Yes you are right, the people and the authorities should be better informed.

The problem is that these kinds of laws tend to be one-way streets. Once systems are in place, they are hard to remove, so there should be some protection against unenlightened authorities just trying again and again and 'getting lucky'.

elenchev 1 day ago|
see you next year