Chat Control faces blocking minority in the EU

Posted by miohtama 9/12/2025

Chat Control faces blocking minority in the EU(twitter.com)

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coldtea 9/12/2025|

With the EU being only nominally democratic in operation, the minority will face pressures on unrelated fields (EU funds, etc) by Brussels and larger dogs, until it yields. Happened time and again.

hereme888 9/12/2025||

Am I correct to understand that the amount of arrests thanks to end-user backdoors for CSAM, ever, is zero?

buyucu 9/12/2025|

If really implemented, this thing would generate so many false positives that it would force law enforcement to waste a lot of money going through them.

cobbaut 9/13/2025||

I get strong "Office Open XML" vibes from this one.

There will be a day when this passes, and again it will be a loss for humans and a win for (American) tech giants.

kamil55555 9/12/2025||

I know normal ordinary people that were defending this...

PanoptesYC 9/12/2025||

What is the UI from in the twitter screenshot? I'd like to read the positions of the Supporting/Undecided countries.

twsted 9/12/2025|

https://fightchatcontrol.eu/

(And I need to understand why the hell my country, Italy, supports the motion)

phtrivier 9/12/2025|||

Well, if you will allow the steelmanning, I can think of a couple of reasons why the authorities of _Italy_, of all countries, would want to follow organized groups conducting illegal activities.

I mean, "organized crime" and "Italy" probably appears in a couple of n-grams in LLMs index, right ? Maybe even if you narrow it down to reviews of movie trilogies from the 70s ?

That being said, I'm sure you will disagree. The whole discussion on those topics is about mistrust:

- law enforcement claims to need tools to prosecute organized crime (which does exists), and claims any opponents is just mafias masquerading as concerned citizens.

- opponents claims the new tool is only meant for surveillance, and claims any opponent is just an autocrat masquerading as concerned parents.

- fun fact 1 : both autocrats and mafias exist

- fun fact 2 : reading some messages mean reading all messages

Which is why we have the debate every few years.

Meanwhile law enforcements use other tools (they have been for years), mafias are still out there, organized crime is still harming lots of people, and encrypted messages are relatively safe - but people use unencrypted FB's messaging because it's easier.

miohtama 9/12/2025||

Mafia has been around in Italy for more than 200 years, even before messengers were invented. It's likely this won't change it.

Meanwhile Meloni has deployed NSO against Italian journalists.

phtrivier 9/17/2025||

Do you mean in this context [1] ? It would not be NSO, and not clearly targeted _from_ the Italian Government (though it would be a plausible explanation)

I can't find allegations of usage of Pegasus in Italy per se (yet, might not have looked enough), as there are for other countries [2].

Not an expert, so I might have missed some instances. And by definition, those things are hard to track.

[1] https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cvgmzdjw24yo

[2] https://www.washingtonpost.com/investigations/interactive/20...

wizzwizz4 9/12/2025|||

Contact them, and ask!

elenchev 9/12/2025|

see you next year