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Posted by manveerc 23 hours ago

OpenAI Grove(openai.com)
153 points | 145 commentspage 3
cadamsdotcom 9 hours ago|
Whatever.

AWS gives startups money.

yde_java 20 hours ago||
The FAQ items don't expand for me, on Android Vivaldi.
koakuma-chan 21 hours ago||
Do you have to be in the US or can they help to get in?
jtfrench 20 hours ago|
The country selection menu seems to include countries from around the world. It sounds like only the first and last weeks are actually on-site, the rest in async/remote.
AnEro 21 hours ago||
Looks like they want to build up and support middle men to do the apps more than them, and act more like a platform or operating system position. Which makes sense giant corporations reporting 95% failed AI projects and the core success cases are specialist companies tuning the platform to a specific problem are successful. Then there are a ton of snake oil AI apps that are over promising under delivering hurting the image of AI's usefulness

This is probably purely a pivot in market strategy to profitability to increase token usage, increase consumer/public's trust more than farming ideas for internal projects.

Terretta 1 hour ago|
> act more like a platform

As of 19 hours into the post, this is the only comment that explains what's actually behind this sort of program.

Precursor thinking from Altman (mentions YC): https://stratechery.com/2025/an-interview-with-openai-ceo-sa...

This is how it begins. You make sure you're under the hood of everything. Everyone is "building on" you. You see all the action.

While this can be how it ends: https://techcrunch.com/2023/01/19/twitter-officially-bans-th...

But not always. For an example that ended differently, Amazon opened to third party sellers, on the side, earlier than people might remember, 1999: https://www.cbsnews.com/news/amazoncom-in-a-bazaar-move/

And how that went: https://theconversation.com/amazon-is-no-longer-a-retail-sit...

This is how you put Multivac to work, and profit.

cantor_S_drug 7 minutes ago||
This is like creating filters for Instagram but for AI. I am all for it. Let million flowers bloom.
linhns 21 hours ago||
Is it just me seeing this as a talent discovery program?
bilbo0s 20 hours ago|
It's clearly a talent grab. Where talent = creativity.

Most will submit the app with a dime a dozen ideas. (Or, at internet scale, a dime a few hundred thousand I guess?) No need to even consider those guys.

But it will be a pyramid. There will likely be 20-30 submissions that are at once, truly novel, and "why didn't I think of that!"-type ideas.

Finally, a handful of the submissions will be groundbreaking.

Et voilá. Right there you've identified the guys and gals thinking outside the LLM box about LLMs. Or even AI in general.

lif 22 hours ago||
hmm.. wonder what the most accurate Venn diagram for this is?
hollerith 13 hours ago||
What would be nice is a "grove" I can flee to where I'd be immune to the effects of OpenAI and the other AI labs.

Alas, such grove is impossible.

scoopdewoop 21 hours ago|
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mionhe 21 hours ago|
If capitalists can't solve problems, who do you suggest can?
no_wizard 20 hours ago|||
The internet and many adjacent technologies were all created and iterated on inside the DoD and other wings of government research.

The world really benefits from well funded institutions doing research and development. Medicine has also largely advanced due in part to this.

What’s lost is the recapture. I don’t think governments are typically the best candidate to bring a new technology to marketable applications, but I do think they should be able to force terms of licensure and royalties. Keeping both those costs predictable and flat across industry would drive even more innovation to market.

What happens instead is private entities take public research and capture it almost entirely in as few hands as possible.

In short, the loss of civic pride and shared responsibility to society has created the nickel and dime you to death capitalism we are seeing in the rise today. Externalization of all costs possible and capture as much profit as possible. No thought to second order effects or how the system that is being dodged to contribute back to gave way for the ability for people to so grossly take advantage of it in the first place

ToucanLoucan 20 hours ago||
> The internet and many adjacent technologies were all created and iterated on inside the DoD and other wings of government research.

^ This is the secret sauce. For decades the arrangement was exactly that: defense projects would create new technologies, then once those were finished, they were handed to private industry to figure out how to make a $20,000 MIL-spec LCD screen cheap enough and in vast enough quantities that you can buy 3 of them for less than $1,000 while the manufacturer, distributor, and retailer make a solid profit each. That's not an easy thing to do and it's what corporations have historically been good at. And it makes things better for the defense industry too, because they can then apply those lessons to their own hardware where appropriate. Win/win.

But we don't fund research anymore, or at least not that sort of it. Or perhaps there's just not much else to find. I think it's a bit of both. But in any case nothing new is getting made which is why technology feels so dull right now. The most innovative products right now are just thinner, dumber, lighter versions of things we already have, and that's not nothing but it isn't very interesting either.

scoopdewoop 20 hours ago||||
Labor, FOSS... can you not imagine anything besides wealthy people creating artificial scarcity to force others to work for them?

Edit: if you don't think this is true, look at the history of truly any country and see what happens when subsistence farmers and indigenous communities refuse to work for capitalists

jryle70 14 hours ago||
Labor, FOSS, can you be more specific? All FOSS projects operate within capitalism. Do you think Linux would be as successful as it is without the UNIX root, created by Bell Labs, a capitalism darling, or substantial contribution from companies like Intel?
diggan 20 hours ago||||
Think of all the people who solved problems before/outside of typical capitalism. I guess more of those people wouldn't hurt to have right now to counter-balance the shift to hyper-capitalism that is ongoing.
jryle70 14 hours ago||
Such as? Did any of those achievements lift billions of people out of poverty?
scoopdewoop 20 hours ago|||
BRB, waiting for capitalists to solve the housing and healthcare crisis, shouldn't be long...
selectodude 14 hours ago|||
Capitalists would be over the moon if they could build more housing, I assure you.
ToucanLoucan 20 hours ago|||
I mean they already solved that, they're raking in even more billions. The only issue was their solution was for them, not us.