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Posted by b_mc2 23 hours ago

Corporations are trying to hide job openings from US citizens(thehill.com)
573 points | 427 commentspage 3
simpaticoder 13 hours ago|
I see lots of good ideas about changing the selection process. Another option is to change is to change the new hire process and require employers to advertise every recent H1B hiring decision for 60 days, including job description and resume. Then a native with an equal or better resume, and a willingness to fill the role, can raise their hand and offer to replace that person. If a native with a better resume is denied, then it is a cause for action against the employer (ideally a fine paid to the applicant that would at least fund further search time). Repeated violations would result in wholesale revocation of H1B access.
ajsnigrutin 13 hours ago|
Or just require H1B workers to be paid above average (by some factor) for the position. Average pay for <workplace> is 50k? If you want a foreign worker, you must pay them at least (eg.) 1.2x the average, so 60k. This solves the problem of abuse (since they'll probably find a local for 55k), and solve the genuine need for foreign workers in areas where there are not enough locals (eg. touristy areas needing tourist workers) ... at a bit higher price of course.
simpaticoder 12 hours ago||
Perhaps that would work, but I'm not so sure. I don't think the employers we're talking about are sensitive to a 20% price premium. And they might find the additional leverage H1B gives them over the employee to be worth the premium anyway. My proposal would give natives a chance to get a real job (not a ghost posting) that was given to a real person (the H1B person), and simply take their place.
palmfacehn 5 hours ago||
If the hiring process is dishonest, wouldn't that be a good sign to avoid them as a potential employer?

I know I'm out here in my own space capsule, but it seems like a non-sequitur. Again, perhaps this is my own bias speaking, but wouldn't you prefer to solve your own business problems as an entrepreneur, rather than battle to be employed by someone who has the intent to screw you, so that you might have the privilege to solve biz problems for them? In both cases you have problems, but only one gives you autonomy.

Alternatively, you might look towards employers who want you and do not desire to screw you.

elcapitan 6 hours ago||
https://archive.ph/LCAqn
carterschonwald 16 hours ago||
Fun fact: the payout from the meta settlement they reference works out to there being less than 4,000 members of the eligible class. Otoh getting a large check is always a pleasant surprise. I kept the letter cause it’s a huge amount
TriangleEdge 15 hours ago||
From experience: big tech has to post jobs to US citizens before it can hire on a visa or sponsor a green card. So the trick is to put an ad in a physical news paper and present that as evidence.
bobthepanda 16 hours ago||
I recall there being a proposal to prioritize H1Bs based on salary, which would at least lessen or eliminate the race to the bottom and stuff like people training their lower paid replacements
add-sub-mul-div 22 hours ago||
If Apple and Meta have had to pay $38 million for engaging in these practices I don't understand why they used the subtle "chronically-online" dig against people trying to expose it:

"And this has given rise to a cottage industry of chronically-online types — in other words, typical tech workers — seeking to expose them."

kstrauser 22 hours ago||
What the… Yeah, I’m with you on that one. “We would’ve gotten away with it, too, if it weren’t for those meddling chronically onlines seeing if we’re obeying federal law!”
pavel_lishin 22 hours ago|||
The whole thing seems to oddly disdainful of the people being impacted:

> How many 20-something software engineers even know how to use a post office in 2025?

codyb 21 hours ago||
To "use" a post office?

What like... any... other... store or building where you walk in, perform an action, and leave?

arcfour 18 hours ago||
Ah crap, here I've been trying to walk into the side of the building for the past 3 hours.
Terr_ 17 hours ago||
"Midvale Post-Office for the Gifted."
supjeff 21 hours ago|||
I feel like there was a lot of nonsense ideas for what is such a short, and supposedly journalistically rigorous article
1121redblackgo 17 hours ago||
The Hill stays afloat by laundering political operative and rat-fucking articles. Politico to a lesser extent, but similar. Read those two sites with suspicion. Always.
pavel_lishin 22 hours ago||
> How many 20-something software engineers even know how to use a post office in 2025?

Ok, come on, this is just an insulting "kids these days" throw-away line that is absolutely not necessary.

nancyminusone 22 hours ago||
Doubley stupid because the task is about mailing a letter, which does not require a post office.
ajross 22 hours ago||
That's an editorial point, not a substantial one. Obviously requiring an application be submitted by an inconvenient and antiquated method that isn't used by the demographic in question is going to create friction and reduce the number of applications.

That this is expressed in a whimsical way (personally I liked the turn of phrase, but that's an issue of taste) might personally offend you but doesn't change the substance of the article.

BobbyJo 22 hours ago|||
It also has the effect of making the job posting seem fake, or like a scam, because who in their right mind would believe META, who has their own, in-house operated, online job application portal, would require a job application to be mailed in.
Terr_ 17 hours ago||
Right, imagine if the same posting was onlinen in a legitimate-looking spot, but for some reason the process required credit-card validation up front.
pavel_lishin 21 hours ago|||
I'm not complaining about the substance, but the tone feels weirdly disdainful of the people impacted across the whole thing. It almost feels like the author was assigned this topic & overall goal, but hates the people she's writing about.
fmajid 17 hours ago||
One popular trick was to advertise the jobs in newspapers. The dead-tree edition only.
thatfrenchguy 16 hours ago|
> However, in order for applications for permanent residency to be successful, companies must certify their inability to find a suitable American candidate to take the position they’re looking to fill with a foreign national

I mean, you know, if you already have an employee working on H1B, why would you take the risk to hire someone else to replace them? The perm process is pretty broken in that way.

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