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Posted by pentagrama 8 hours ago

Legal win(ma.tt)
177 points | 136 commentspage 2
sgammon 7 hours ago|
thats great matt. i still wont ever use wordpress because of your choices
iambateman 7 hours ago||
Perhaps it’s a legal win but the PR disaster remains.

As our company thinks about a new website vendor, WordPress is off the table because of the nonsense.

sixothree 4 hours ago|
I can't imagine the professional reputational damage I'd incur if I were to recommended wordpress, or worse, wordpress.com after all of this.
cyberpunk 4 hours ago||
Genuinely, why? What kind of visions of reputational damage does having your marketing website on wordpress.com conjure up to you?

How would anyone even know where it’s hosted?

I get the guy pissed off some php devs but I’m sure as hell not hosting that shit myself, marketing team content can be their problem.

Sophistifunk 6 hours ago||
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raincole 7 hours ago||
The controversial topics around wordpress are surreal.
stephenlf 7 hours ago||
Matt’s behavior was atrocious. I’m with WP Engine on this, and I’m appalled that the courts sided with Automattic. I don’t pretend to know the law better than they do, but still.
jkaplowitz 7 hours ago||
The court opinion doesn't mean what he is implying, although he isn't outright lying. See my explanation in this top-level comment I just made: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=45228927
kbarmettler 7 hours ago|||
Agreed about Matt, completely. It should be remembered that although it's framed as a legal win, it's not THE legal win. I am not a lawyer, but I think the practice is generally to make as many arguments as the law will support up front– but not all of them were ever going to stick. And WP Engine can still remedy any deficiencies in their pleading to try to make them stick (I'll wait for legal minds to finish reading this and explain it to me, though).
chuckadams 5 hours ago||
> I’m appalled that the courts sided with Automattic

There are 11 claims in WPE's complaint, three were dismissed, and as I understand it, only one of them decisively. Matt wants to spin it as good news, good for him. He's still potentially getting taken to the cleaners if he doesn't settle.

the_real_cher 3 hours ago||
It's not clear to me that he's in the wrong.

https://ma.tt/2024/09/wordpress-engine/

tsimionescu 1 hour ago|
It's not clear to you that trying to use trademark law to prevent a company selling WordPress software from saying they offer WordPress software is "being in the wrong"?
ookblah 6 hours ago||
matt relies on the passage of time and the fact that nobody really cares too much about wordpress drama. it's best that people do not forget what type of person he actually is behind the public facade when he inevitably pulls this kind of shit again later.

from literally back in 2011 when someone predicted exactly what would happen and got crucified for it:

https://web.archive.org/web/20110117190122/http://wpblogger....

https://web.archive.org/web/20110117192124/http://wpblogger....

one of his responses to DHH when the WPE thing went down:

https://archive.md/UZZit

nchmy 6 hours ago||
you didnt even link to the right version of the DHH post! The original had this gem of a paragraph:

> David, perhaps it would be good to explore with a therapist or coach why you keep having these great ideas but cannot scale them beyond a handful of niche customers. I will give full credit and respect. 37signals inspired tons of what Automattic does! We’re now half a billion in revenue. Why are you still so small?

https://archive.md/4yLNR

ksec 4 hours ago||
I wrote to DHH at the time hoping the Hey World part could be open sourced or ONCE as a blogging platform. But he wasn't interested in the idea.
tasuki 3 hours ago||
The guy already created immense value by his open source work. It's fine for him not to open source everything.
larsiusprime 6 hours ago||
Can someone provide some context for those of us who are utterly out of the loop?
wonger_ 5 hours ago||
IIRC: guy made a CMS, built a successful company and organization and trademarks around it, decided last year that another company was using it unfairly, created lots of drama, lost his marbles

One of his first posts on the topic: https://ma.tt/2024/09/wordpress-engine/

A collection of crazy quotes and events, biased towards the other perspective: https://mullenweg.wtf/

Edit: and HN commentary: https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=pastYear&page=0&prefix=fal...

ValentineC 6 hours ago||
I remember this to be a pretty good recap of the whole fiasco:

https://gist.github.com/adrienne/aea9dd7ca19c8985157d9c42f7f...

bravetraveler 7 hours ago||
http://archive.today/wfrKj

Not for a paywall, of course: personal blog he hosts. Due to editing in the past.

"Win" or, said another way, "The bullshit I started is seeing an end". Whatever works for you, buddy.

kbarmettler 7 hours ago|
It ain't working for him, but it's all he's got.
bravetraveler 7 hours ago||
It ain't much and it's neither honest or work!
liviux 5 hours ago|
The mad lad won his case, but lost his reputation.
ocdtrekkie 5 hours ago||
He didn't win. He won in the way Apple won over Epic. (Apple lost.) People seem not to understand that in a lawsuit like this the lawyers throw everything at the wall and see what sticks. WPEngine surely didn't expect all of this to fly... but some of it did.
nchmy 5 hours ago||
he hasnt come even slightly close to winning his case
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