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Posted by Brajeshwar 1 day ago

‘Overworked, underpaid’ humans train Google’s AI(www.theguardian.com)
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oldpersonintx2 1 day ago||
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philipallstar 1 day ago||
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bflesch 1 day ago||
The way you defend against an article citing "thousands of workers" by using a nitpicky criticism about grammar style makes me suspect that it raises a cognitive dissonance in your head that you are not ready to address yet.
sjiabq 1 day ago||
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bflesch 1 day ago||
Let's hope you are as good at real gymnastics as you are at mental gymnastics.
sjiabq 1 day ago||
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CPLX 1 day ago|||
Glad to learn from your post that the labor market has recently become perfectly competitive and efficient.
philipallstar 3 hours ago|||
> Glad to learn from your post that the labor market has recently become perfectly competitive and efficient.

Underpaid just isn't a useful term. If it's their best option for a job in the whole world then their employer is the best it could possibly be. Describing that situation as "underpaid" is just manipulative.

crazygringo 22 hours ago|||
I mean, it's competitive and efficient enough?

It doesn't need to be perfect for it to be good enough. People change jobs all the time. Yes, it involves some time, effort, and tradeoffs. But the worse your current job is, the higher the benefits of switching are.

CPLX 22 hours ago||
Google is an illegal monopoly, that’s the post trial judgement of multiple courts. It has used its monopoly powers to extract vast wealth from various sectors of the economy, and it has also been sanctioned for illegally manipulating labor markets.

So there’s just no reason at all to hand wave any transactions they are involved in as the result of simple supply and demand.

crazygringo 21 hours ago||
Google has been found to exert various monopoly behavior in certain markets like ads search. It's not a monopoly overall, like in cloud computing or office applications. And it's very much not a monopoly in hiring for these types of lower-level jobs. Not to mention these are all seemingly through contractors anyways, of which there are many, and they provide these types of services for multiple companies.

So I honestly don't know what you're talking about.

CPLX 21 hours ago||
I am talking about the widespread fiction that markets are efficient and rational, despite overwhelming evidence that they are in fact rigged in favor of participants with market power.
crazygringo 18 hours ago||
Google doesn't have market power in the market of this particular set of jobs.

Many companies are competing for people with these skills, including for the exact same type of work, and there's zero evidence of any kind of collusion going on.

You're going to have to be specific about what rigging you think is happening. This isn't anything like when Apple, Google, Adobe, etc. were colluding not to poach each other's engineers in 2005-2009 [1].

Job markets like aren't perfect-perfect, but they're mostly decently efficient and rational, as far as supply and demand and pricing goes, with just everyday normal friction.

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/High-Tech_Employee_Antitrust_L...

CPLX 7 hours ago||
My argument is the burden of proof goes the other way at this point.
crazygringo 4 hours ago||
Good luck trying to convince anyone, then. That's an extreme ideological position, not a reasonable evidence-based one.
CPLX 1 hour ago||
The ideological approach is to hand wave and cite market fundamentalism when confronted with a real world allegation.

The evidence based approach is to look at the credibility and history of the accused party.

crazygringo 1 hour ago||
Emphatically no. The evidence-based approach is to look at current evidence, and you've provided zero.

Past credibility/history is irrelevant. Just because someone went to jail 20 years ago for a theft in a town, we don't throw them back in jail every time there's a new theft, and then demand they prove they are innocent. But that's what you seem to be asking for. However, that is wrong and unjust.

blactuary 1 day ago|||
Yeah they should simply buy widgets from the abundance of other widget sellers since this is a perfectly competitive market with no transaction costs and perfectly symmetric information
skywhopper 1 day ago||
This definitely explains why Google’s AI Search Results is so bad at what it purports to do.
a3w 1 day ago||
AI means actual indians, did we not learn that from the initial OpenAI GPT 3.0 training? It made it to HN.
TNDnow 1 day ago|
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mentalgear 1 day ago||
In many things "AI" is just another form exploiting the poor to make the rich even wealthier. A form of digital colonialism.
TNDnow 1 day ago|
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mallowdram 1 day ago|
Gemini is faked.

How this industry managed to not grasp that meaning exists entirely separate from words is altogether bizarre.