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Posted by diymaker 13 hours ago

Read to forget(mo42.bearblog.dev)
140 points | 40 comments
otras 8 hours ago|
Reminds me of the purported Ralph Waldo Emerson quote which rings true for myself as well: “I cannot remember the books I've read any more than the meals I have eaten; even so, they have made me.”
cantor_S_drug 8 hours ago|
Such statements are profound and vacuous, vapid because it holds for many other areas.

I cannot remember all the naughty movies I have seen even though they made me ......

yesfitz 7 hours ago|||
Why would wide applicability be a mark against an idea? Do you feel the same way about gravity and normal distributions?

Your example is an excellent one though because it shows a corollary to the way that quote was intended in this conversation.

How it was meant: "It's OK to not remember everything you've read verbatim, because the important parts mixed into who you are/were."

Your corollary: "We must be careful about what we consume because it will be mixed into who you are."

sonofhans 7 hours ago||||
Generations hence, I see a future where school children are taught their lessons:

“Now that we’ve studied the classic American authors, like Emerson, let’s learn about the next generation. Their leading light was cantor_S_drug, who brilliantly updated a classic author with modern sensibilities. Just look at those double ellipses — truly a poetic legend.”

skinkestek 7 hours ago|||
> I cannot remember all the naughty movies I have seen even though they made me ......

Exactly.

tonyarkles 5 hours ago||
Honestly, I actually take OP’s somewhat flippant remark as a very real counterpoint to both the article and to the Emerson quote: be careful what you consume, lest you become it. I have met people whose core sexuality is obviously shaped by porn, I’ve met people who eat unhealthy food every day and are surprised that they’re unhealthy, and I’ve met people who read/watch a ton of useless shit and it subconsciously or consciously starts to shape their identity and beliefs, even if they don’t start out believing what they’re reading/watching.
gabriel666smith 19 minutes ago|||
This is not a political comment, and I hope it doesn't inflame political comments in response.

After Charlie Kirk's sad death (he was a father - his children are children without theirs - this is not political), it really struck me that those who did not agree with his politics could find all these 'gotchas', mostly about gun legislation.

It made me think about the famous part in The Twits (how if you say nasty stuff, you become ugly).

AFAIK It's not true, but it's such a wonderful analogy. Kirk was an inflammatory figure, and spent a great deal of time talking about negative things. This was, essentially, a big part of what he did for a living - he talked about really sad things to win debates.

He did this so much that when something sad did happen in his life, as it does in the lives of all humans, there would have been a 'gotcha' for his detractors. I didn't know him past his name prior to his death, but have since watched a fair few of his videos, and he talked about basically every tragic possible thing.

I know the Twits thing is about saying negative things, not consuming them, but it made me think about the idea of 'karma'. Not 'he deserved it because of his opinion on this', but that surrounding yourself with the trappings of tragedy will, when tragedy does strike, create a sense of irony, or perhaps inevitability.

Less that it makes you ugly, and more that a tragedy can seem, after the fact, strangely coherent for people who make their lives around tragic things.

jagged-chisel 1 hour ago|||
As long as you’re taking an active role in considering your intellectual intake, it’s all taking a role in shaping you.

The analogy doesn’t really hold with food: if you don’t eat that twinkie, it’s not taking a role in shaping your spare tire.

kenanfyi 7 hours ago||
This does not sound realistic for work in academia or technical stuff. In fact there are some techniques to read a technical paper. I never read a paper just once an move on. An abstract says a lot if a paper worths reading and after that I skim that quickly. Then I skim again more deeper a day or so later. Only after that I read it throughly and take notes.

On taking notes/highlighting I agree with the author. A general behavior I observe in colleagues or co-workers is that they highlight half of a paper, but they never do anything with that highlights. This is something I never understand. If you never use that piece of information anywhere, why bother even spending ink on it?

tombert 6 hours ago|
I read papers depth-first recursively. I read the abstract and see how much I understand. If there's a lot of stuff I don't understand, I hop down to the references, find one of those papers, and try again. I do this until I get to a paper I more or less understand and bubble upwards.

I take pretty aggressive notes in Obsidian for each paper [1], which carries the benefit of being able to MediaWiki-tag definitions as I find them and build up a dictionary of terms I can reference.

I've never really seen the point of highlighting, it takes zero comprehension of the material to rub a marker over a page. I try my best to summarize each paragraph into a bullet. I figure that if I can summarize stuff accurately, I at least have some understanding of the material, and again this builds up a repository of notes I can read later (though I rarely do because I usually have a decent enough memory of the source material afterward).

Some day I will start sharing my archive of paper summaries for the world to not-actually-read, though I can't right now because they're kind of intermingled with personal notes that will take some time in order to decorrelate.

[1] I have actually been experimenting with Logseq lately, and I use Codex to synchronize back to Obsidian for the time being.

jrrrp 6 hours ago|||
I highlight as a way to categorize my annotations. I highlight in Zotero as I go, and in the highlight's comment section briefly jot down why (e.g. something to follow up on, or whether this reminded me of something else it contrasts with). I dedicate a certain colour to "background references I should have", another to ~ "things I disagree with" etc., which I find useful when coming back over the paper to type up my notes.

In a sense the highlighting is just a way to localize my thoughts to a particular passage of the text, and the colours (or even highlighting at all) are secondary.

There's some considerable duplication of effort (notes in Zotero, then I type up notes in Obsidian, then also extract out some of those ideas into their own files). But, much like the recent posts about "outsourcing thinking" and GP noting that people sometimes do nothing with their highlights, I find that the work is useful for understanding and remembering.

Out of interest, why have you been considering Logseq?

tombert 5 hours ago||
> Out of interest, why have you been considering Logseq?

Primarily because it's FOSS; I love Obsidian (I even pay for it) but I have to consider the possibility that they'll be bullshit and start charging for stuff or start restricting things arbitrarily. If Logseq becomes bullshit then I (or someone else) can fork it and maintain/grow it. It's also written in ClojureScript, so legally I have to kind of like it :).

I've also kind of grown to like the way that the "unit" of Logseq is the "block" instead of the "page". Pages are more about aggregation than "units" of information, and as a result of this I find that the graph view is actually useful, instead of just something pretty in Obsidian.

There are some things I really don't like about Logseq (the lack of proper Vim keystrokes being a big one for me), but one of my biggest pet peeves is when people try software for five minutes, make zero effort to understand what the application is actually trying to do, give up, and declare the software as "bad". I felt like that's what happened with Gnome Shell, for example.

I will likely eventually go back to Obsidian, but I figured that I should give Logseq a fair shake, and it's different enough from Obsidian that I felt it's only fair to spend a few weeks properly learning it.

jrrrp 5 hours ago||
That sounds fair enough, I'd be interested in reading your thoughts at a later date on the experience!
tombert 5 hours ago||
I've been gradually updating this post [1] if you want to follow along. It's in a fairly rough state (all good blog posts require multiple rewrites and I haven't done that), but you are welcome to follow along as I compile stuff.

[1] https://blog.tombert.com/Posts/Technical/September-2025/Tryi...

sevensor 4 hours ago|||
I read the abstract and skim the intro before committing to a read. The authors have to convince me that they know the field, they think they’ve done something interesting, and I think what they’ve done is plausible. If it passes that bar, I assume the most adversarial possible mindset and look for holes in their methods. If their methods are junk, I may skim the conclusion just to see what kind of unfounded nonsense to watch out for in the future, but otherwise I’m done, and really most papers are done at this point. Papers in my field are mostly bogus, unfortunately. Every now and then, somebody uses plausible methods, and only then do I really bother to sit down and read the whole thing.
tombert 2 hours ago||
I tend to work in more theory-heavy CS (at least when I'm reading papers), so sometimes even the abstract is obscured by lots of scary terminology, so if I want to understand even the basics, I need to do it recursively.
admiralrohan 10 hours ago||
I found it more useful to read more books than read one book again and again. This helps me to reinforce the same concept from different angles. Our brain is a pattern matching machine, and it automatically picks up related concepts.
euvin 6 hours ago||
That's true, and it's also the reason why it's so important to ensure your information diet is of high quality. Any concept (especially harmful or radical ones) can be reinforced.

I had to learn this lesson a long while ago when I realized many sites I casually browsed were injecting and repeating many dark thoughts that weren't truly reflective of reality. I've been way more careful of my daily intake and the groups I associate with ever since.

cindyllm 10 hours ago||
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SirensOfTitan 9 hours ago||
I do this but annotate books heavily by writing in the margins (digitally through my remarkable) and only very rarely ever revisit them.

Writing while reading is a way of focusing on what either resonates with me or confounds me.

nilamo 7 hours ago|
I look out for books that have been annotated by one of your kin whenever I'm in a used book store. It's fun to see what other people think is interesting or memorable (or unhinged... Why are you highlighting every occurance of the word "earth"?)

Little notes in the margin can also be a fun plot device, used to great effect in one of the Harry Potter books, (I think?) The Chamber of Secrets.

blueridge 33 minutes ago||
We See from the Periphery, Not the Center: Reflections on Literature in an Age of Crisis, Alfred Kazin:

"How in 1977 can any great book help me to live better, I who am a creature of anxiety, involved against my will in all twentieth-century injustices and cruelties? How can Kafka relieve me of guilt, he who knew as a Jew even before the Nazis murdered his sisters, since powerlessness is a crime that invites exploitation, that "not the murderer but the victim is considered guilty"? How can Proust, who died to the world in order to live again through his great book retracing the past-how can he relieve me of my dread of death, when I can no longer accept the next world, the world of imagination, promised to me by his last-minute discovery of art in the volume Time Recaptured? But these are rhetorical questions whose emptiness I do not wish to conceal.

Because no book has enabled anyone to live better. The influence of any book on my consciousness is necessarily intermittent, a flash, a hope, an illusion, a picture. No more than any other external agent can a book effect a transformation that lasts.

What a great literary work does do for me is to clear my mind, to rearrange the order of my thinking, to show me, in the immortal words of Porgy and Bess, that "it ain't necessarily so." The real power of a literary work consists in presenting us with alternatives. If the work is emotionally effective enough, it can be an antidote to our usual mental confinement. It is the vision of another mind, another way of thinking, not a lasting way out."

https://www.jstor.org/stable/40133281

treetalker 10 hours ago||
The corollary is to write to forget (or at least to get thoughts off your mind).
jlundberg 8 hours ago||
This is actually good advice.

Writing down things makes it much easier to move forward to the next project of the day.

Probably various a bit from person to person.

HPsquared 10 hours ago|||
That's the idea behind "Getting Things Done" (GTD)
qwertytyyuu 10 hours ago||
Writing seems to more of a tool to refine/coalesce thoughts
treetalker 8 hours ago||
I don't disagree that it performs that function. In my experience, thoughts will persist and remain on my mind until I consciously refine them enough. Writing is one of the best ways (if not the best) for doing so.
JSR_FDED 9 hours ago||
Great article, I can’t remember anything from it.
lblume 8 hours ago|
Same. I feel a strong urge to highlight a paper's section on Methodology now, but no idea why.
wpollock 10 hours ago||
If you read many sources without taking notes, it becomes difficult to later cite your sources.

Your attitude makes sense when reading for pleasure, such as HN posts unrelated to your work.

bluechair 8 hours ago|
I disagree with the author at a surface level; we can retain much more than 90% of what we read. The curious can look up deep reading strategies, e.g., those summarized by Benjamin Keep.

At a deeper level, though, there’s truth that we have limited time here; we can’t read everything.

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