Palisades Fire suspect's ChatGPT history to be used as evidence

Posted by quuxplusone 10/8/2025

Palisades Fire suspect's ChatGPT history to be used as evidence(www.rollingstone.com)

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whatsupdog 10/14/2025|

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hshdhdhehd 10/14/2025|

Climate change "I'll provide the tinder you provide the spark!"

marcosvm 10/14/2025||

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deezmofonutz 10/14/2025||

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echelon_musk 10/14/2025|

I was gearing up to smugly quote the HN guidelines to you but I find myself surprised to see that there is no clear messaging against supporting acts of violence.

Allow me to violate the guidelines and note how this is in stark contrast to Reddit. For better or worse.

AlexeyBelov 10/17/2025||

HN has issues with trolls, and trolls don't care about guidelines. Almost every time I read a comment that's clearly out of place it comes from a throwaway-like account registered like 4 months ago. And the comment history is full of such comments, so it's often not a one-off.

Despite this, HN doesn't do much about it, and creating new accounts and trolling for a couple of months is very, very easy.

miroljub 10/14/2025||

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myrmidon 10/14/2025||

> the cause wasn't climate change, like all the media worldwide boasted.

That was not the typical claim of news outlets.

The actual headlines were more like "How climate change affected the LA fires".

Media outlets linking small regional problems to big global issues is to be expected because that drives engagement.

There is no need for retractions/corrections because what those articles typically said was something like "climate change can facilitate extended droughts making such fires more likely", not that climate change was the cause for the fire.

You could argue that articles like that are trying to mislead the reader, and you would not be wrong. The main purpose of a lot of modern reporting is not to inform, but to bait for clicks/ads.

edit: You can see the exact same issue in this article: It kinda baits the reader into thinking that ChatGPT is monitoring chats and snitching on you to the police preemptively, but doesn't actually say that.

h1fra 10/14/2025|||

Forests burn more easily when they are dry. Climate change in sun-bathed regions is increasing this dryness, which in turn raises the risk, speed, and spread of wildfires.

The initial fire is intentional but as stated in the article it spreads silently and exploded because of extreme weather condition.

tristan957 10/14/2025|||

Climate change can create factors that make wildfires much larger or more dangerous.

I'm dubious of your claim that climate change was cited as a cause in any serious publication. Can you provide any sources?

Every fire has an ignition, and climate change is not an ignition like a lit cigarette or a lightning strike. It merely creates conditions.

miroljub 10/14/2025||

> I'm dubious of your claim that climate change was cited as a cause in any serious publication. Can you provide any sources?

I didn't claim anything about publications. I complain about the media coverage. If you want the source, you can go to YouTube and watch German Tageschau, a central news outlet. Every report of fire was followed by brainwashing about climate change. It was similar in most of the major Western European news coverage.

tristan957 10/15/2025||

I'm not going to watch random German videos to confirm your statement for you. Please share a timestamp in a particular video.

How was there any brainwashing? What are your thoughts on climate change?

miroljub 10/15/2025||

> I'm not going to watch random German videos to confirm your statement for you. Please share a timestamp in a particular video.

Then don't. I don't need your confirmation. If you are interested, it's easy to find. If not, why would I waste time providing you timestamped links for something you won't watch, won't understand, and would dismiss?

> How was there any brainwashing?

Watch and see :)

> What are your thoughts on climate change?

Everything changes, including climate. My thoughts about it are not relevant to the topic of mainstream media reporting and brainwashing.

thomasingalls 10/14/2025|||

if you have a server that's overloaded, then a request comes in that requires fractionally more memory use than the average request, do you blame the single request for crashing your servers or do you acknowledge that the load on the server is probably contributing to the issue?

honeybadger1 10/14/2025||

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flanked-evergl 10/14/2025||

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AIrtemis 10/14/2025||

pretty interesting that cloud data is not covered by the 4th amendment. I wonder if we’ll push for on-prem storage of context and memories as our relationship with AI gets more personal and intertwined.

eurleif 10/14/2025||

The article states that OpenAI only discloses user content with a search warrant. How did that lead you to believe that it's not subject to the fourth amendment?

coliveira 10/14/2025|||

I don't have a personal relationship with AI, and strongly suggest that people stay away from AI for personal matters.

typpilol 10/14/2025|||

I still haven't once talked to an LLM for personal reasons. It's always been to get information.

Talking to an LLM like a human is like talking to a mirror. You're just shaping their responses based on what you say. Quite sad to see stuff like the "myboyfriendisai" reddit

fl0id 10/14/2025||

So perfect if ppl want their partner to be molded a certain way

rpdillon 10/14/2025|||

Third-party doctrine pretty much excludes anything in the cloud from the 4th amendment.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Third-party_doctrine

loeg 10/14/2025||

Hasn't happened yet. Why would it change now?

gosub100 10/14/2025|

stop blaming fires on people who start them. its inevitable that someone is going to be the root cause. meanwhile the people whose job it is to manage the forest or wilderness areas are scot-free. At least send them to prison too.