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Posted by jrepinc 21 hours ago

KDE celebrates the 29th birthday and kicks off the yearly fundraiser(kde.org)
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edwcross 16 hours ago|
I'm increasingly pessimistic about everyday reach of Linux.

Around me, all I see are Windows users, volunteers teaching old people how to use several tools... on Windows. Public institutions relying on Windows, upgrading to Windows 11, doing everything despite Trump, despite Microsoft, despite all of the negatives associated with it.

When primary school students are given Windows laptops instead of Linux ones, there's not much hope in changing. But how can you amass enough momentum and volunteers to get enough manpower to at least try to move in the other direction?

KDE surely helps, but it's like, nowadays simply trying to explain what a non-mobile OS is useful for, seems like yet another uphill battle, and I cannot fix even my small town by myself.

thewebguyd 13 hours ago||
Inertia is a hell of a drug. The US failed to break up Microsoft in the 90s, and never took antitrust action against them again after that. So the world built its entire tech infrastructure on top of Windows (as far as endpoints go, web facing servers are another matter).

But,

> When primary school students are given Windows laptops instead of Linux ones,

At least this is changing, although not true "desktop linux," students are mostly given Chromebooks, and grow up on google docs/g workspace so that early familiarity with Windows + Office is dissapearing.

It's not going to be a good thing long term though, I already see it with employees where I work (I'm in IT). We have plenty of younger employees that don't even have computers at home if they aren't gamers. They are familiar with iOS/iPad OS only. Windows + Office is a mystical black box, and file management/file systems are a foreign concept.

That, IMO, makes Linux desktop adoption that much more difficult. At least Windows->Linux you can take a lot of basic concepts with you. MobileOS->Not mobile OS is much more difficult.

morshu9001 14 hours ago||
First and biggest challenge is that there's no single default desktop Linux, and even one distro could have different DEs, window servers, etc.

Imagine asking for tech support as a newbie, and giving your laptop model and OS and version is still not enough info.

array_key_first 13 hours ago||
It's completely unavoidable with open source software, we just have to adapt around it.
morshu9001 12 hours ago||
We do have one main Linux kernel (while other open source like BSD is far less popular on PCs) and a bunch of tools like bash and git that are de facto default. Seems like Linux community actively avoids converging on a default DE though.
array_key_first 5 hours ago||
We have many, many Linux kernels. Many distros compile their own kernels. You aren't using "the" Linux kernel most likely, you're using your distros Linux kernel. It's just that nobody notices because the kernel has stable interfaces.

Thats also why you can run kernel 6.5 on a version of RHEL from 15 years ago.

By its nature as a community, the Linux community will never converge on a default DE.

The only reason Windows pulls it off is because it's not a community. It's a dictatorship and you're a serf. You use what Microsoft tells you to use.

But, even then, there is divergence. No doubt you've heard of people sticking to 10 even though Microsoft is abandoning it. Some people still use 7, or even XP.

Aldipower 18 hours ago||
Man, I am getting old too. :-O Still remember how amazed I was with KDE 1.
Gud 12 hours ago||
Just recently switched back from XFCE to KDE, after a 20 years hiatus. KDE feels just as snappy as XFCE but is also more polished and has really nice settings management.

Congrats to the KDE team. Unfortunately too broke to donate.

pacetherace 13 hours ago||
Surprisingly this feels like it has been in existence for longer than 29 years.
dethos 13 hours ago||
Works like a charm. Powerful when needed. Thanks, KDE, looking forward to the next 29 years.
setopt 20 hours ago||
I used Linux for a long time (since ~2002), but for the past years I've been daily-driving a MacBook.

I'm now switching back, and will likely go with either Gnome or KDE. I've used XFCE, i3wm, etc. for years before – and briefly tried Sway too before I switched to Mac – but from what I've read it sounds like the "big" DEs make life easier post-Wayland.

Anyone want to share why you currently choose KDE over Gnome?

haspok 19 hours ago||
Gnome UI sucks. It is ugly and non-customizable without plugins, or whatever you call that addon that enables you to put your clock on the right... I'm sure the UI makes more sense on a tablet or a phone with touch controls, but I just want to use it on my laptop with a regular monitor and with a mouse (or touchpad).

KDE has sane defaults and looks and feels like Windows UI from the best era. It just works.

morshu9001 14 hours ago||
"It just works" is the important part. The style doesn't matter a whole lot if things aren't working right. Is this other guy's comment about GTK not a real problem? https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=45581866
haspok 14 hours ago||
I don't understand that comment. The K-suite of apps is just as comprehensive as the G-suite of apps - most people don't really care or notice anyway. No, I did not notice that Firefox uses GTK - seriously, who cares, and it is even shipped as a snap or flatpak. (I would even say that Qt is far more capable and developer friendly than GTK, so I'd pick Qt over GTK _any time_.)

There is one app that I installed recently, that used GTK and I noticed it - the ProtonVPN Connect UI, it looks a bit funny, but integrated seamlessly in the whole system (KDE) including the tray icon. It just works. What is the problem?

voidon 20 hours ago|||
I guess because the defaults suits me better, and the configurability is exposed well and I don't have to load special tools or commands to change stuff.

I used to run complicated setups back in the days, with black/flux/openbox or even enlightenment (16), but now I don't really have the interest or time for tweaking DEs.

virtualmic 15 hours ago|||
> Anyone want to share why you currently choose KDE over Gnome?

Just to give you an opposite perspective...I was a long time Kubuntu / KDE Neon user (almost 10 years) and shifted to Gnome couple of years back (Ubuntu 22.04), now running 24.04. It's been very stable and out of the way. I am not sure why people are complaining about UI, for me it's barely visible on my two screens. All open-source and proprietary apps I use run well and without glitch. It took me an hour to get used to the "Gnome" way when I shifted.

angiolillo 11 hours ago|||
KDE is a wonderful desktop environment. It's been a while since I've used it but from what I've seen it grows and improves every year.

Gnome is more opinionated. There are fewer options overall, the core apps are generally much simpler, and it assumes a specific way of interacting with your computer. You can change this with extensions, but if you are dead set on a specific workflow and need to venture beyond a small set of widely-used and well-supported extensions then it may feel like you're swimming upstream.

I personally prefer Gnome because I don't mind trying out new workflows and it ended up being a good fit. But I understand why many "hacker types" would prefer KDE, and (assuming they've ironed out stability and release scheduling issues) I agree with other comments that KDE would make for a better default experience, especially for people coming from Windows.

Thankfully, both exist and you can try them and see what works for you!

tmtvl 17 hours ago|||
I don't want to install an extension which will break next time there's a new GNOME release just to be able to set my clock to '%A %F %R' format.
nargek 19 hours ago|||
I find that Gnome opiniated workflow can easily get in my way. KDE feels more natural and it really grew on me after using it for quite some times.
simion314 19 hours ago|||
>Anyone want to share why you currently choose KDE over Gnome?

GNOME is like a tool that was designed to fit the average user so if you are not the average user (like you know the joke where the average person has 1 testicle) then you have to mold yourself to fit into GNOME (or try to hack it with unsuported extensions that might make it more tolerable) in KDE you have nobs to tweak it to fit you smoothly (like for example with one checkbox I can make the Left Alt to be a Ctrl button so i do not bend my hand and fingers to use my many Ctrl+keys shortcuts).

IMO use GNOME only if you are the typical GNOME user, that prefer to bend themselves over and not to adapt the tool to fit . Avoid KDE if too many options cause you some anxiety or buffer overflow.

jlpcsl 20 hours ago||
I switched from Gnome to KDE Plasma because I find it more stable and more integrated since many of the features I otherwise miss are out of the box in KDE Plasma, and you do not need third party extensions which are quite unstable. Also later found out Plasma is much more configurable and personalizable so I xan really fit it best to my orefered workflow. I also find KDE developers listen to their users much more.
lousken 12 hours ago||
KDE is the best non-tiling desktop environment. Thanks KDE and keep it up!
Aerbil313 9 hours ago||
After years of distro hopping I landed on KDE NixOS and stuck with it ever since. Stable, featureful, intuitive experience.

KDE is visibly taking off.

akimbostrawman 18 hours ago||
Amazing project my only gripes about KDE is that while the customization is great it can feel overwhelming and opaque. For example multiple different ways to get transparency (Kvantum & qt6ct) but nothing built in or large amount of different but seemingly connected config files with confusing syntax in .config

I hope the work on union will help fix some of that

yjftsjthsd-h 15 hours ago|
Yes, if you choose to go off the happy path into the weeds, then you will be off the happy path in the weeds. The only desktop environments where that isn't true are the ones that forbid customization.
rs_rs_rs_rs_rs 20 hours ago|
Amazing DE, daily driving KDE(Kubuntu) on my desktop for couple of years now and I can't imagine anything better.
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