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Posted by summarity 10/24/2025

Apple will phase out Rosetta 2 in macOS 28(developer.apple.com)
286 points | 303 commentspage 3
PeaceTed 3 days ago|
By the time this happens, it will have been a 7 year transition. That isn't too bad considering the original Rosetta only got 5.

I do have sympathy for those that still use this in their daily work flow, but also... this is Apple. This is how they have always rolled.

sedatk 3 days ago|
Meanwhile, I can still run my apps from the 90’s on my ARM laptop on Windows. That’s two architectures back to be clear: ARM64 -> x86-64 -> x86
vbezhenar 2 days ago||
May be M7 CPU will run qemu emulation of x86 fast enough for Rosetta to not be required.
tonyedgecombe 2 days ago||
Hopefully this will finally push Sonos to produce an Apple Silicon binary.
anthonyskipper 3 days ago||
This is awful. I love playing games on my MBP and the latest crossover releases have been amazing in the ability to play almost all windows PC games at full speed. Losing rosetta means crossover is dead.

You would hope that apple would open source it, but they are one of the worst companies in the world for open sourcing things. Shame on all their engineers.

evmar 3 days ago||
From the OP: "Beyond [the two-year] timeframe, we will keep a subset of Rosetta functionality aimed at supporting older unmaintained gaming titles, that rely on Intel-based frameworks."
difosfor 3 days ago||
What about the newer games that are maintained, just not supported on anything but windows?
mxey 3 days ago|||
Isn’t that part of Rosetta also used in their own Game Porting Toolkit?
Cloudef 3 days ago|||
mac for gaming is just not a good idea
fragmede 3 days ago||
What are you talking about? There's Do I have enough RAM to run Slack, all my Chrome tabs, and a terminal program; there's what terminal program shall I run today: Ghost edition; there's Can I get Colima to run, now with docker DLC. There's Kubernetes on Mac: Kind edition; there's Let's with Tart!; Nix is for Ops: New and more obtuse config edition. With so many fun games to play, who's got time for anything else?
snvzz 3 days ago||
Fortunately, whoever has money for a Mac can also afford hardware that will actually run games.
wooger 2 days ago||
A Macbook (air) is no longer a crazy expensive unobtainable thing, just a perfectly reasonable mid-price choice for most people.

Whereas a good graphics card alone is still insane money.

gbear605 2 days ago||
Yep, Macs are cheaper than many graphic cards alone
wosined 2 days ago||
Just use linux. You learn it once and it works forever.
vbezhenar 2 days ago||
Linux is so not polished.

Just few days ago something updated and my virtual desktop switching now behaves erratically. I'm pressing <Super>+<1>, it changes to desktop 1 with vscode opened. And immediately it starts typing "1" into vscode. Seems to bug with all X applications. I fixed it for vscode to make it work under wayland, but now it doesn't draw border around vscode window. Another irritation and I have other X apps.

It works, it's free, I love it. But it's so not polished and it'll never be. I miss macOS polish, where basic things just work.

dangus 2 days ago|||
> I miss macOS polish, where basic things just work.

Funny, since iOS 26 my iPhone has been failing to bring up the screenshot UI half to time, completely broke guided access, and now I can’t figure out how to close all tabs in safari because all the buttons make no sense anymore.

Oh yeah and my battery life sucks now.

You should look into atomic Linux distros. They take getting used to but they’re awesome for being stable and easy to revert changes.

wosined 2 days ago|||
> virtual desktops > vscode > wayland Sounds like you have a misconfigured system. Jokes aside, this looks like a bug in your WM. Macs may be more polished, but my point was not about polish.
BirAdam 2 days ago|||
If only this were true.

Stuff in Linux changes. Not quite as frequently, but it does change and in major ways that require significant amounts of relearning.

Example 1: audio

OSS -> Alsa -> Random Layers on top of Alsa -> Pulse -> Pipewire

Example 2: init

SysV -> OpenRC || runit || s6 || upstart -> systemd

Examples 3: desktops

KDE 1/2/3 -> KDE 4/Plasma

GNOME 1 -> GNOME 2 -> GNOME3+

Example 4: networking

ifconfig -> ip

Example 5:

Xfree86 -> Xorg -> Wayland

Now, it's important to note that people were attempting to resolve issues. The transitions weren't always clean, but the results are usually great. For example, moving to pipewire is possible the greatest advancement of audio ever. Linux audio finally doesn't suck. Xfree86 to Xorg was likewise great. For the last few years of X11, I usually didn't have to modify the config. I kind of don't care about init systems most of the time. The only major complaint for systemd is that disk I/O on embedded systems is kind of an issue, but things like Alpine are better there and Alpine doesn't use systemd.

With that said, I think the real issue is that people dislike advancements that break things. Early in Pulse's life, people absolutely hated it. Early in Wayland's life, people absolutely hated it, but it wasn't default so no one complained. With Windows and macOS, stuff changes seemingly constantly and randomly and breaks things, so people hate it. Saying, however, that Linux doesn't change seems a little daft to me. It changes faster than anything else on small levels, and different distributions have breaking changes at different rates.

nottorp 2 days ago|||
Yes, Pulse pushed me to make my first hackintosh and move from Linux on the desktop to Mac OS on the desktop.

Good job, Poettering.

wosined 2 days ago|||
You don't have to install gnome, kde, wayland or systemd. You are just talking about your preferences masked as something that “had to be done”. I only had to fiddle with audio on the raspberry pi when connecting bluetooth. Everything works out of the box nowadays. If wayland was a good protocol, the user would not have to know about it.
BirAdam 2 days ago||
I wasn't saying that anything had to be done, nor was I saying that each change was good or bad (except for the audio and Xfree86 to Xorg). My preferences really don't enter into it. I was saying that Linux systems do indeed change, and the idea of learn once and you're done is nonsense.
mxey 2 days ago|||
Linux is by far the OS with the highest amount of churn.
wosined 2 days ago||
I use less than 10 gui programs on linux. They never change. The command line programs do not change either. Unless the devs get a dumb idea to rewrite them in Rust, because they sunk so many hours into learning it.
pjmlp 2 days ago|||
Forever only if one never updates.
wosined 2 days ago||
Depends on the distro.
pjmlp 2 days ago||
Using Linux since 1995, I wonder which one from Distrowatch is safe from this.
wosined 2 days ago||
I did not mean actually forever. The sun will burn out in the future.
joezydeco 2 days ago||
My company only hands out Macs. So I use Linux in a VM for embedded development. Works great.

And now I'm getting an Apple Silicon machine in a few months to replace my Intel Mac and I'm out of luck.

aranw 2 days ago||
For a few years now it's been feeling like Apple are pushing devs away and are more interested in catering for general consumers. Just look at what DHH has written and said about it, and his move to Omarchy
rowanG077 2 days ago|
It will be interesting to see whether they keep optional TSO in their SoCs after Rosetta 2 is no longer working.
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