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Posted by AndrewDucker 10/25/2025

ChatGPT's Atlas: The Browser That's Anti-Web(www.anildash.com)
803 points | 351 commentspage 6
hereme888 10/29/2025|
> The fake web page had no information newer than two or three weeks old.

What irks me the most about LLMs is when they lie about having followed your instructions to browse a site. And they keep lying, over and over again. For whatever reason, the ONE model that consistently does this is Gemini.

dyauspitr 10/29/2025||
Eh I use ChatGPT for so many things I realize how many projects I used to just let go by.
r_singh 10/29/2025|
Me too, and as the number and maturity of my projects have grown, improving and maintaining them all together has become harder by a factor I haven’t encountered before
mediumsmart 10/29/2025||
this website is mentioned best on Atlas Browser 25A362 in 1920x1080 resolution
thetrees 10/29/2025||
Condensed version: 'OpenAI built a browser that mostly benefits OpenAI. Instead, they should have built a browser that mostly benefits the customer (and, thus, benefits OpenAI less).'

Welcome to capitalism.

I wish it wasn't like this, but this is the system we have. If you want OpenAI to do things differently, another company has to do it differently, show that doing it differently is even more profitable (see Apple and their privacy angle), and force OpenAI to change for competitive reasons.

Or figure out some way to trick our way into a constitutional convention so we can change the system.

andy_ppp 10/29/2025||
Another edition of “if it’s free you are their product”…
r_singh 10/29/2025|
It’s not entirely free though, agent mode and a few other features are paid. I’m paying OpenAI $200/mo for my subscription
kwa32 10/29/2025||
how is this different from just training on your history
khtbunkncbuc 10/29/2025||
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wilg 10/29/2025||
1 - nobody cares about being "pro-web" or "anti-web"

2 - we didn't leave command-line interfaces behind 40 years ago

gjvc 10/29/2025||
I want to hear more garbage like this. Do you have a website?
Grimblewald 10/29/2025||
1 - I care

2 - That's an entirely different situation and you know it.

maxdo 10/29/2025||
Every professional involved in saas, web , online content creation thinks the web is a beautiful thing.

In reality the fact of social media means web failed long time ago, and it only serves a void not taken by mobile apps , and now llm agents.

Why do I need to read everything about tailor Swift on you her web site , if I don’t know a single song of her ? ( I actually do ) .

I don’t want a screaming website tells me about her best new album ever , and her tours if LLM knows I don’t like pop music . The other way around if you like her you’d like a different set of information. Website can do that for you

kristianc 10/29/2025|
Dash’s entire identity is bound up with narrating technology by translating its cultural shifts into moral parables. His record at actually building things is, at best, spotty. Now the LLM takes that role by absorbing, it summarising, editorialising. And like Winer, he often reads like a guy who has never really made peace with the modern era and who isn't content to declare the final draft of history unless it's had his fingerprints on it.

The machine is suddenly the narrator, and it doesn’t cite him. When he calls Atlas “anti-web,” he’s really saying it is “anti-author”.

In a way though, how much do we need people to narrate these shifts for us? Isn't the point of these technologies that we are able to do things for ourselves rather than rely on mediators to interpret it for us? If he can be outcompeted by LLMs, does that not just show how shallow his shtick is?

tolerance 10/29/2025|
I think you’re on to something. In a way this is just the postmodern ethos of the web collapsing in on itself.