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Posted by dividendpayee 2 days ago

Poison, Poison Everywhere(loeber.substack.com)
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coppsilgold 1 day ago|
Bloodletting is a solution. Donate blood as frequently as they allow you. Plasma donation works even better (higher frequency) if you trust the machines and the process.

Sadly, it's not a complete solution as some harmful substances bio-accumulate in other tissues. A benefit may be had regardless as some substances leach back into the blood if the concentration gradient is sufficient.

missingdays 1 day ago||
What makes you think it's a solution?

If the logic is "get rid of your bad blood, let your body make some good blood instead", why would the body make the good blood if all we consume is full of plastic anyways?

coppsilgold 1 day ago||
Even by that logic you should still dilute your blood, because if you don't you will accumulate plastic faster...

You will see a benefit for any and all harmful substances for which blood tests exist. Because the blood test implies blood levels being a proxy for the substance so it either accumulates there or leaches into it.

IAmBroom 1 day ago|||
Blood is less than 10% of your weight. Donating 100% every month (!) would only reduce your exposure by the same, a trivial amount in dosage variation.
pjc50 1 day ago|||
The solution to bioaccumulation is to give it to someone else?
kgabis 1 day ago|||
<vampire typing comment above meme />
4gotunameagain 1 day ago||
Source?
coppsilgold 1 day ago|||
Aside from the fact that dilution of blood is obviously dilution of any and all substances in the blood?

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/35394514/

M95D 1 day ago|||
2 millennia of bloodletting medical practice. /s
ahstilde 1 day ago||
I totally agree. I actually started Wyndly (https://www.wyndly.com/) because I realized I was poisoning myself with antihistamines every single day for my allergies. I did the research, and antihistamines are know to cause anxiety, depression, weight gain, and brain fog!

I applied for YC. We got in!

And now we're chipping away at this corner of human health: treating the root cause of allergies with protein exposure therapy (allergy immunotherapy) instead of covering up allergy symptoms with ineffective (and, it turns out, dangerous) antihistamines.

supportengineer 2 days ago||
The trend of making these medical tests cheaper and easier to obtain is going to result in a lot of positive change. Certainly for individuals and hopefully the anonymized data helps get the spotlight on larger trends.
torcete 2 days ago||
If you have ever visited the ruins of Pompeii, you might have seen all the lead pipes that provided water to the city. I wonder how that affected the health of the citizens back then.
arthurbrown 2 days ago||
My understanding is that the high calcium content in their water supply formed a lining on the inside of the pipes which largely prevented any exposure.
LorenPechtel 2 days ago|||
Yeah, the water problems in Flint weren't the pipes directly, but that the water had changed so the lead was no longer protected from getting in the water.
decimalenough 2 days ago|||
They doubled down on the exposure by adding lead to wine though.

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/6750289/#:~:text=The%20custo...

IAmBroom 1 day ago||
A bit of a reverse tax, that. The poor didn't drink adultered wine; they drank aqueduct water.
koliber 1 day ago||
Less than the volcano.
IAmBroom 1 day ago||
That's cherry picking. Most days the volcano didn't bother anyone...
omgbear 1 day ago||
I wonder how much this is causing the worldwide swing toward authoritarianism. Lead exposure can cause lower conscientiousness, lower agreeableness, and higher neuroticism.[1]

Especially considering the age of people who actually vote and who the politicians in power are (at least in the U.S.)

[1] https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC8307752/

Thorrez 1 day ago|
Is lead exposure going up or down? I assume it's going down, because lead gasoline was banned, lead paint was banned, and the lead that was in the environment due to those 2 source is slowly being cleaned up.

I at least assume lead exposure now is lower than when leaded gas was primarily used. In the US it started to be phased out in 1973 and finished in 1996.

omgbear 1 day ago||
Down a lot now, but likely peaked in the 70s -- Kids growing up then are likely 50-60 which are the higher turnout voting brackets.

There's a lagging effect from lead exposure, so it's difficult to pinpoint when those exposed would be most impacted.

https://usafacts.org/articles/how-many-americans-vote-and-ho...

lccerina 1 day ago||
"This will be a big business" No. It shouldn't be a "business", it should be laws that are enforced fast, education, public shaming of companies putting poison in their products. Volatile Organic compounds in paint were known to be poisonous since 17th century (see Bernardino Ramazzini's works). Just listen to the goddamn scientists for once. You can't solve a problem caused by capitalism corner cutting with more capitalism.
tasuki 1 day ago||
Don't forget the poisons we've known for ages and yet overconsume: sugar, alcohol, ...
lou1306 1 day ago|
Those are regulated, and sold to willing customers. On the other hand, people who buy paint do not want to get lead-poisoned, usually.
jimnotgym 1 day ago||
And they are just waiting for the modern paint to be as good as the old lead paint was on exterior woodwork.
Havoc 2 days ago||
One of those things where it’s important to make a concerted effort to limit risk.

…but then also to stop worrying after reasonable steps were taken because it’s an endless rabbit hole

antonchekhov 1 day ago||
A former coworker who was a serious gun enthusiast experienced dangerously high levels of lead in his bloodstream - he had chronic headaches and other bodily pains. He visited shooting ranges several times per week, and also packed (assembled? made? I'm not sure the nomenclature) his own bullets. His doctors believe he aspirated atomized lead particulate doing so much shooting practice, and/or bullet manufacture. He underwent chelation therapy (a protocol involving taking certain medications that bind to heavy metals in the blood, and the patient excretes it out via urination) to reduce lead levels.
LorenPechtel 1 day ago|
The risk would mostly be from the range, not the reloading. The problem is bullets are intended to scrape pretty hard against the barrel to get them spinning. That inevitably causes lead dust and indoor ranges can be pretty dangerous because of it.
SuperNinKenDo 2 days ago|
When I was a baby we lived virtually directly under the Sydney Harvour Bridge, I got lead poisoning as a result of runoff from the bridge. The combination of leaded petrol and leaded paint runoff poisoned the soil in playgrounds and the area more generally.

My case and probably those of others lead to a huge cleanup of the bridge.

My life has been absolutetly plagued with chronic health and "developmental" problems. Neurodivergence and other conditions litter my family tree, but they seem to effect me much more severely than they do most of my relatives.

I often find myself wondering these days if my life would have featured significantly less hardship were it not for the lead poisoning.

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