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Posted by marbartolome 10/27/2025

What happened to running what you wanted on your own machine?(hackaday.com)
433 points | 296 commentspage 3
Gigachad 10/27/2025|
What happened was people ended up putting a lot of money and sensitive data on their computers and desired a system which wouldn’t expose that just because they ran the wrong software.
Dilettante_ 10/27/2025||
"Wash me but don't get me wet." (Is this a saying in english?)
baxtr 10/27/2025|||
I guess you are trying to say: "You can’t have your cake and eat it too." ?!
lupire 10/27/2025||
Also, "want the milk without buying the cow", but I like "don't get me wet" because it highlights not wanting the result without the unpleasant step of the process. Then again, we have "dry cleaning" and ozempic.... https://english.stackexchange.com/questions/429316/wash-me-b...
bitwize 10/27/2025|||
I'm reminded of a meme involving a dog with a ball: "Please throw? No take. Only throw."
api 10/27/2025|||
The better answer is to build better OSes with better security models.

I should be able to run a crypto wallet I downloaded from a Kim Jong Un fan site while high and it shouldn’t be able to do anything I don’t give it permission to do.

It’s totally possible. Tabs in a web browser are basically this.

I can do it with VMs but that’s lots of extra steps.

colonial 10/28/2025|||
macOS kinda gets there. I've (grudgingly) come to admit that it has by far the best security story of any desktop operating system. Apps require explicit user consent to access the filesystem, peripherals, and other sensitive data (e.x. Discord requests "Input Monitoring" access to determine if you're "actively online" even when unfocused.)

The only place it seems to fall flat is network I/O - LAN access requires permission, but dialing out to the wider Internet does not.

Compare Windows, which has jack (except for bloated anti-malware hooks in NTFS.)

Linux is _trying_ to replicate macOS with Flatpak/XDG portals, but those still need more time in the oven.

Source: I use both a MacBook and a Linux desktop daily.

netdevphoenix 10/27/2025||||
Web pages have a lot of restrictions even if you consider the gradual adoption of the project Fugu APIs
fuzzehchat 10/27/2025|||
Isn't that what Qubes is all about?
api 10/27/2025||
Yes but IMHO that approach is a hack. “Fix our 1970s OS by putting it in a box in our 1970s OS.”
immibis 10/27/2025|||
And by "people" we mean Hollywood. A great deal of this was created to enable DRM, then exploited for other purposes. For instance, it's illegal (by contract) to let a device without Secure Boot play a 4K stream from any mainstream studio. This is why Windows requires Secure Boot.
ranger_danger 10/28/2025||
> This is why Windows requires Secure Boot.

No it isn't, and no it doesn't.

immibis 10/29/2025||
Elaborate?
ranger_danger 10/29/2025||
I am not aware of any concrete evidence that would even suggest that the creation of Secure Boot had anything to do with Hollywood.

And it is quite demonstrable that Windows can function without Secure Boot.

Workaccount2 10/27/2025|||
This is the real answer that is rather banal and boring compared to conspiracies of nefarious money harvesting.

95% of people don't know what "Run your own software" means, because to them, the app store lets them chose what apps to install. And they don't get viruses and malware like their 2008 laptop did.

That being said, there absolutely needs to be a mechanism for "lowering the gates" if the user wants full control of the device they own.

matheusmoreira 10/27/2025||
Ah yes, the good old freedom for security tradeoff. Of course, in this case it's the security of trillion dollar corporations at the cost of our freedoms...
butlike 10/27/2025||
Disk space is becoming more akin to real estate, with the OS manufacturers similar to HOAs (Home owner associations) determining how you need to maintain the landscape.
jmclnx 10/27/2025||
My fear with IBM and AI, Linux could go down this path.

I remember seeing KDE and GNOME already have their "stores", we need to keep a close eye on Linux.

cadamsdotcom 10/27/2025||
Time for a Digital Bill of Rights.

What would you include?

Yeul 10/27/2025||
Windows 11 gives me a giant warning if I actually want to run something.

Computers nowadays are so weird.

everyone 10/27/2025||
Part of the cycle .. https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/8201080-the-master-switc...
mikewarot 10/27/2025||
I believe that in the depths of the cold war, when personal computers were just showing up, it was decided, deep within the National Security Agency,that it was more advantageous to let them continue to proliferate without fostering secure Operating Systems, though they were available.

We all now live with the blowback from that decision. Most people don't even realize that actually secure computing is a possibility now, even here on HN.

This general insecurity means that anything exposed to raw internet will be compromised and therefore significant resources must be expended to manage it, and recover after any incidents.

It's no wonder that most people don't want to actually run their own servers. Thus we give up control and this .... Situation .... Is the result.

SpicyLemonZest 10/27/2025|
I affirmatively argue that actually secure computing is not a possibility. It's fun to build toy models where every process has exactly the permissions it needs and no more, sure. In the real world, your users are going to grant superuser/admin permissions to random installers, and they're not going to perform the complex verification rituals you told them to do beforehand.

It's like trying to set up a warehousing system so perfect that the shrinkage rate is 0.

musicale 10/31/2025||
There is a DMCA exemption for jailbreaking smartphones.

Not for tablets or game consoles though.

The killer app for jailbreaking is usually running unlicensed games.

bigbuppo 10/27/2025||
It doesn't increase shareholder revenue. That is the second highest calling. The only thing more important is marketing and advertising, and this also helps that, so hey, two birds one stone.
lunias 10/29/2025|
It's an education problem. A lot of people no longer understand the advantages of general purpose computing.
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