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Posted by lucidplot 10/27/2025

Active listening: the Swiss Army Knife of communication(togetherlondon.com)
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vlan0 3 days ago|
Listening and responding is just like singing. If you are "thinking about it while doing it" it feel off to everyone. Like how singing is best when you embody the lessons and move your focus away from "getting it right". It has to feel like you and not you playing a character.
lucidplot 3 days ago|
everybody has to learn to sing at some point. same goes for listening.
iberator 3 days ago||
Funny, for me active discussion and interruptions are sign of ENGAGEMENT and I respect that a lot.

From my personal experience people who are angry about interruptions are typically arogant and non empathic.

I love heated debates. (Adhd, INTP, Central Europe)

bityard 3 days ago||
So, I'm going to challenge you on that.

First, let me describe myself. I'm not always great at explaining my thoughts to others in a meeting. The output peripheral bus has a lower clock speed than the CPU, if you catch my drift. If I'm not the one driving the meeting, I try to wait until I have a decent amount of context before offering my own thoughts. Most critically: I don't speak unless I have something important to say, because time is scarce and talking AT ALL is a very high effort activity for me.

I really don't mind the occasional interruption or clarifying question. But if someone is constantly interrupting me every other sentence, it seems obvious to me that they either think their opinion is more important than mine, or they just like to hear themselves talk. In either case, the constant interruptions mean they don't actually care what I have to say, so there's no value in me trying to say it, and I just stop talking until they are done and let the conversation end naturally.

iberator 3 days ago||
Sounds like skill issue. For me there is nothing more beautiful than fast active discussion about xyz. That's what's chatting about: people speak _together_, otherwise it's just slow slide show.

Let be clear tho: I'm talking about positive mindset discussion and NOT shunning someone into silent submission. (That would be awful!)

bityard 1 day ago||
Thanks for the unnecessary insult--you asshat--but it's not a "skill issue," it's how I am built. As took great pains to explain.
christophilus 3 days ago||
You and I would get along well. This active listening format would drive me crazy.

I also see interruptions as going hand in hand with collaboration and engagement. I guess it’s a personality thing. I’m adhd, INTJ, family hails from a part of the US northeast that is known to be direct and blunt.

econ 3 days ago||
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Etheryte 3 days ago||
That's not funny, that's messed up. In essence, you're saying that if someone else doesn't submit to your will, talking the way you want, there will be physical violence. And then you escalate that to an imminent threat. Doesn't that sound pretty fucked up to you? I understand you want people to be polite, but what you consider polite is not universal. If you don't like the way a conversation goes, you can exit the conversation, either by not participating or physically leaving, or if you want, interrupt them in turn. Threatening people with physical violence is not the answer.
hackable_sand 3 days ago|||
That's not funny at all. That's abusive.
econ 3 days ago||
Thanks for the perspective.

I think civilized people talk in turns. If you chose to violate the social contract anything goes.

I have a hard enough time remembering what I've already told people. I also have to account for half sentences? I'm supposed to remember where I was rudely interrupted and store their response where? Does it even relate to the topic?

I also fear turning my head into a ravioli of sound bites. Like an aquarium with little chunks of thought floating around. Tiny insignificant chunks. Like death!

rand17 3 days ago|||
English is not my mother tongue, so all I can say is no, that's not how communication works (of course you can think whatever you want or your neurons conjure up, I can't argue with what you think). Discourse analysis revolves around the dynamics of speaking, speakers and conversations: gender, age, empathy, attention there are lots of factors in play that decide who speaks and how or when the other party or parties can take turn (or whether the turn is given). Taking turns is not a social contract; it's a rule in your head. You're free to decide to punish people for violating rules in your head, but depending on the level of punishment, you may end up in court.
econ 2 days ago||
Raising my hand is not punishment. People are free to fear I will slap them but I didn't do it until I do.

Yes, the settings play a roll of course. The joke is best with other males of the same age. It's not funny with kids or woman.

Social contract, rule in my head? I don't know if there is a difference.

dns_snek 3 days ago||||
These are your personal preferences, not some "social contract". I'm completely fine with people interrupting me to correct something I said or to add an important detail I missed, and I tend to do the same.

To see slightly diverging behaviors as uncivilized, to unilaterally demand that people change it to suit your preferences, and especially to threaten people with physical violence seems really deeply troubling to me. I don't think that's a good attitude to have at all.

People have different cultural and personal expectations, quirks, even medical conditions (e.g. ADHD) that affect how they handle communication. You can ask people - politely - to try their best not to interrupt you because it makes communication difficult for you, otherwise walk away.

I also have ADHD which makes me more prone to interrupting people and while I try my best not to, it happens. If I'm troubleshooting a problem for you and by the end of your second sentence I know what the immediate next step is but you keep talking about some irrelevant back-story, I will probably interrupt you - either that or my brain will completely miss what you're saying for the next 5 minutes, making sure that the thought in my head doesn't just - poof, disappear.

Yes some people think I'm rude for that. No, I don't really care because it's not something I can change. Rude are the people unilaterally imposing arbitrary personal preferences onto other people.

econ 2 days ago||
You have the right idea what should take priority when trying to accomplish something.

If you interrupt me to correct me I actually admire it. Extra points if you get to do it twice in a sentence.

I'm taking about repeatedly interrupting the next step with irrelevant back story or worse, a not even related topic.

The big question I suppose is if your thoughts continue to go poof if you try harder to hold onto them.

jrflowers 2 days ago||
This has never happened in your life. There is a one hundred percent chance that if somebody repeatedly interrupts you, you nod and picture what Sephiroth would do to them.
econ 1 day ago||
I ran into someone I didn't see for many many years. He told me that over time he realized I was the only one he ever had a real conversation with. Real was probably not the right word I think but everyone he knows including him takes great care to never let anyone finish a sentence. Everyone reminded him of me. He talked for 40 minutes straight, it was the most memorable life story full of unlikely favorable events. He really needed to get it off his chest too.
jrflowers 1 day ago||
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econ 1 day ago||
His life took a few hilarious unexpected turns that worked out really well for him.
squigz 3 days ago||||
Do civilized people also use threats of violence when they don't get their way?

Maybe try using your words instead.

econ 2 days ago||
You can't be civilized on your own. The interaction proceeds without it.
Izkata 3 days ago||||
> If you chose to violate the social contract anything goes.

Sounds like they never agreed to your version of this "contract", so they're not violating anything, you're just making excuses.

(A social contract is not the same thing as a legal contract, but you seem to be treating it closer to the latter, which requires explicit agreement)

econ 2 days ago||
I didn't agree to their version either. What follows is a negotiation to figure out how to progress. You could do that verbally but since they aren't interested in what you have to say.
slater 2 days ago||
> but since they aren't interested in what you have to say

"i just resort to violence! it's funny!"

jrflowers 2 days ago||
You guys realize he’s writing fan fiction about himself right?

“I live in a world where I regularly threaten strangers with violence and don’t get my ass kicked and people still talk to me. I look exactly like Fabio but with a bigger penis. I drive the original Mustang from Bullitt around the race track on my mega yacht I won by beating Gabe Newell in every video game on Steam. I have eleven girlfriends and they are all Jessica Alba.”

Econ is (I’m guessing) ~12 years old, plus or minus a year or two. These sorts of fantasies are pretty common during puberty.

slater 2 days ago|||
On the internet, nobody knows you’re a dog
econ 1 day ago|||
I asked one time why I was excluded from some behavioral statistics. The guy said with a straight face that it was because I'm not real. You are a figment of my imagination.

I asked, an outlier? No no you actually don't exist. I discovered this when I noticed the data made perfect sense if I removed you. People like you don't exist. Period

hackable_sand 3 days ago|||
I like to think of it as playing ball. Sometimes people are just bad players. Sometimes people are in a bad mood.

Just consider that physical intervention is not appropriate for most cases.

Dilettante_ 3 days ago|||
"You're not that guy pal" energy
racked 3 days ago||
I bet you're getting plenty of downvotes from the Yanks.

Do elaborate on that first paragraph though please, I'm bursting with curiosity about what makes you see it that way.

econ 2 days ago|||
The part I didn't say?

I see quite a few US TV shows where people make an effort to prevent others from talking.

The most interesting conversation to be had is with someone you disagree with. These people are completely missing out. In stead they are focused on shaping an uninformed narrative.

thereitgoes456 3 days ago|||
Maybe the downvotes are because of the jokes about assault?
comrade1234 3 days ago|
You've got to be kidding. The couple of times someone tried this with me I stopped and asked what the F are you doing?

It's very obviously fake. Seriously you can't see that?

lcuff 3 days ago||
Nope, I don't see that. As a therapist, this is a big part of our training. Using it in a business context, there's more emphasis on ideas, whereas in therapy, you do ask people how it makes them feel. Often because people don't know how they feel, and that's important in intimate relationships.

It can land as awkward, un-natural, yeah even 'fake' when it's being used by somebody who is just learning it and is practicing, though after time it will lose those qualities. If people you know are using this on you, they might need to own that they're trying something different to get you into a comfort zone before pressing on.

No kidding here.

kubanczyk 3 days ago||
> Using it in a business context, there's more emphasis on ideas

No. It's a cheap trick to make me trust the interlocutor. Since it's not only cheap but effective, it's entirely my choice whether I submit to it and "open up".

In business the other side is anything but your therapist.

lcuff 2 days ago||
"It's a cheap trick to make me trust the interlocutor".

Hmmm. Different interlocutors can have different intentions. Some are going to have the intention to understand. Echoing what you believe the person said is not a 'cheap trick' when it comes to discussing ideas. I've been on both ends of conversations about singing, engineering and sailing, and one person says "what your saying is this" and the other person says: "No, that's not what I'm saying", with a correction that follows, and the chance for two-way understanding.

econ 3 days ago|||
I'm sure one can get better at pretending to care with practice.

There are many roads to birthday parties from people you don't like who also don't like you. There will be many uninspired gifts.

qwertytyyuu 3 days ago||
if somewhat is doing it poorly, it does feel really slimy
lucidplot 3 days ago||
totally, it’s the worst