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Posted by geox 2 days ago

Study finds growing social circles may fuel polarization(phys.org)
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dudewtf10 1 day ago|
Lol what caused this, it couldn’t have been a major financial collapse that happened around 2008, that’s what radicalised me. It must be caused by people talking to each other.
dauertewigkeit 1 day ago||
better connectivity -> people finding better friendship matches -> groups are more homogenous -> more polarization
txrx0000 1 day ago||
I think the causal relationship is not quite that way.

better connectivity -> destroyed physical limits on group size -> groups not only get larger but also more ideologically homogenous because they're moderated by a central authority like how physical crowds are moderated -> people make friends more easily in those homogenous groups OR get kicked and start their own group, which also has the potential to get larger and more homogenous without limit -> groups have larger differences and clash harder

More friends is a symptom rather than a cause.

HPsquared 1 day ago||
Self-actualisation often leads to conflict.
cnoolean 1 day ago||
For years, I have had very few close friends, fewer than mentioned as previous average, I’ve withdrawn almost completely from social media, and I’m still polarized, because there are only two major political sides in the U.S., and which news source you listen to drives your opinion.
philjw 1 day ago||
I noticed this when I studied abroad in the Netherlands — a highly educated, slightly more digitalized country than my own. Politics there splintered into micro-parties, each “hardly exchanging between bubbles,” as the study puts it. First impressions were warm, but dates always ended with splitting the bill. Friend groups felt just as closed off, except for Dutchies who had just as me lived abroad before, learned to bridge cultures and still are my closest friends today.

Digitalization and the pursuit of perfect information seemed to invite more binary thinking — and with it, more opportunities to disagree every single day. Meanwhile, other forces found easy consensus on simpler, more immediate issues: cheap gas, housing, grocery prices, job security, immigration. Complex, long-horizon topics like the climate crisis rarely stood a chance.

bear141 1 day ago|
When I was in Amsterdam I was with a group of acquaintances of a friend who lived there. One of them offered me an extra piece of pizza they had when I showed up. When the bill came, they asked me for the exact percentage of the bill that that piece of pizza cost. First time experiencing something like that.

I also offered to buy several people a drink while I was there. This was received every time with suspicion and I was treated as if I was trying to gain something transactional besides a simple friendship in the moment. It was an interesting part of that society to experience.

Der_Einzige 1 day ago||
Nordic social norms like this get made fun of all the time by westerners and southern Europeans. A lot of people will take the crappy socioeconomic situations of non Nordic countries just so that they can have warm relations with their families and a culture that doesn’t hate loud noises.
eucryphia 1 day ago||
Yes, the The People's Front of Judea and Judean People's Front are irreconcilable.
grdomzal 1 day ago||
> The sharp rise in both polarization and the number of close friends occurred between 2008 and 2010—precisely when social media platforms and smartphones first achieved widespread adoption. This technological shift may have fundamentally changed how people connect with each other, indirectly promoting polarization.

Indirectly? Seems to me that this is far more likely the "direct" cause, given what we know about the psychology around algorithmic feeds.

Also - I'm not sure if I missed it in the article, but did they define what they mean by "close relationship" means? I'd be very curious to know if a purely online relationship is counted and how this may also contribute to the observations made.

patrickmay 1 day ago|
The article said that a close relationship is one where the other person can influence your views. I didn't dig into the details to see how that was measured.
phito 1 day ago|||
Wow that sounds like an awful definition. People get influenced by random comments online...
grdomzal 1 day ago|||
Thanks! I tried clicking into the linked research paper but got a 404 >.<
nativeit 1 day ago||
> What disappears as a result is a societal baseline of tolerance—a development that could contribute to the long-term erosion of democratic structures. To prevent societies from increasingly fragmenting, Thurner emphasizes the importance of learning early how to engage with different opinions and actively cultivating tolerance.

That could be a problem, considering how the push back to "actively cultivating tolerance" has unfolded so far.

spencerflem 1 day ago|
They’re illegally sending the military into the streets to oppress us. I don’t think tolerance is really the move
zkmon 1 day ago||
Polarization maybe a bit unclear word here. Connectivity creates cohesion, which creates larger creatures. So what we have is, virtual monsters roaming around with huge human groups riding on them. They can organize real protests, polarized opinion and massive impact wherever these monsters go.
zwnow 1 day ago|
Monsters is a interesting choice of words. Why call it monsters?

Isn't polarization a good thing? If I was enslaved by tyrants making my life worse everyday, shouldn't I be opposed by their ways?

txrx0000 1 day ago|||
More polarization is good if people are allowed to naturally polarize in different directions. Alignment between individuals are supposed to emerge naturally, forming small groups that are internally polarized in the same direction. Democracy would work fine in that society.

But now we have huge online mobs that are homogenously polarized that want to kill eachother. It gets violent when the group size reaches the nation-state level because that's where most of the violence and oppression in our society is siloed.

We have to limit group sizes online. Before social media, it was physically limited by the difficulty of meeting up in person. But now groups just keep getting larger and more homogenous.

Jensson 1 day ago|||
> If I was enslaved by tyrants making my life worse everyday, shouldn't I be opposed by their ways?

That wouldn't create polarization, it would create extremely strong cohesion since everyone else enslaved by those tyrants would agree with you.

zwnow 1 day ago||
I dont know, stockholm syndrome exists and I feel like its very relevant in modern society considering how many people are bootlickers for their employers.

I agree that people with an anti humanistic worldview being able to network is very dangerous. But most polarization I've personally witnessed are people not wanting to live in a system that heavily favors the rich without forcing them to contribute in the same amount poorer people do. People just wanna buy houses and be able to afford a family, while houses are being used as speculative objects by the rich.

Huxley1 1 day ago||
I've had a similar experience. The bigger my social circle gets and the more people I follow, the easier it is to end up surrounded by a single perspective, especially on work-related topics. At first, I thought I was broadening my view, but it turned out I was just reinforcing my existing preferences. Do you make a point of keeping people with different opinions in your network, or do you find it more comfortable to stay in circles where everyone thinks alike?
_3u10 1 day ago|
4 western countries with aging populations, what they really found is that people are getting older, have more free time for friends, who are now interest oriented rather than work or school related.
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