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Posted by thsName 2 days ago

Grokipedia by xAI(grokipedia.com)
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sergiotapia 2 days ago|
very cool, this is wonderful news. I hope it continue to grow and becomes a sort of "Multivac" of sorts free of corruption seen on wikipedia.
josefritzishere 1 day ago||
Does the world need a Mecha-Hitler version of Wikipedia?
systemstops 2 days ago||
It will get better. This is only version 0.1.
bigyabai 2 days ago||
glances at iOS

Are you certain that iterative versioning indicates any real qualitative progress?

Gigachad 1 day ago||
You’d rather the 1.0 release of iOS?
bigyabai 1 day ago||
I didn't say it was an inverse correlation. I said that version numbers aren't corollary to quality or effort.
qingcharles 2 days ago|||
So will Wikipedia.
systemstops 1 day ago||
I hope so, but that would require of rolling back some changes they made that led to ideological biases, which would be fought tooth and nail.
wredcoll 1 day ago||
Having to give credence to incorrect theories and lies would not, in fact, be an improvement.
stonecharioteer 2 days ago||
No entry on tianmen square either.
hagbard_c 2 days ago|
Spell it correctly and you'll find it:

https://grokipedia.com/page/Tiananmen_Square

meijer 2 days ago||
Well, they use AI to create "content". So I guess it's fair to use AI to read it. This is what Claude says about "Grokipedia"'s article about the Gaza war, compared to the original:

Major Differences Between Wikipedia and Grokipedia's Gaza War Articles

1. Framing and Perspective

Wikipedia: Presents the conflict with multiple perspectives, acknowledging disputed narratives. Uses neutral language like "armed conflict" and presents genocide allegations as claims made by "many human rights organizations and scholars."

Grokipedia: Frames the conflict almost entirely from an Israeli perspective. Hamas is consistently portrayed as the aggressor and sole source of civilian suffering, with Israeli actions defended as necessary self-defense.

2. Casualty Figures and Reporting

Wikipedia: Reports over 79,000 Palestinians killed in Gaza as reported figures, noting they come from the Gaza Health Ministry but presenting them as the available data.

Grokipedia: Systematically questions and undermines Palestinian casualty figures, dedicating entire sections to "Verification Challenges and Inflated Figures" and "Combatants Versus Civilians." It emphasizes that figures are "Hamas-administered" and suggests deliberate fabrication, claiming the ministry has "incentives for propagandistic reporting."

3. Treatment of Genocide Allegations

Wikipedia: States that "many human rights organizations and scholars of genocide studies and international law, including an independent UN commission, say that Israel is committing genocide in Gaza, though some dispute this".

Grokipedia: Dismisses genocide allegations as part of "double standards in scrutiny" and frames them as politically motivated attacks on Israel's legitimate self-defense. The word "genocide" appears primarily in sections criticizing those who make such claims.

4. Hamas's Responsibility for Civilian Harm

Wikipedia: Mentions Hamas's use of civilian infrastructure but doesn't make it the primary explanation for Palestinian casualties.

Grokipedia: Contains extensive sections titled "Impact of Hamas Tactics on Civilian Suffering" arguing that Hamas's embedding of military assets in civilian areas is the primary cause of Palestinian civilian deaths, stating "Hamas's operational choices to a disproportionate share of Palestinian suffering, independent of Israeli response intensity."

5. Aid and Humanitarian Crisis

Wikipedia: Describes Israel's blockade cutting off necessities and causing famine, with Israel's actions as a key factor.

Grokipedia: Features a section on "Aid Distribution Failures and Diversion by Hamas," emphasizing that "Hamas diverts up to 25% of incoming aid supplies" and that aid failures stem primarily from Hamas's control and diversion rather than Israeli restrictions.

6. Language and Terminology

Wikipedia: Uses terms like "Israeli invasion," "Israeli offensive," and "Israeli strikes" in a descriptive manner.

Grokipedia: Uses emotionally charged language like Hamas's "systematic atrocities," "barbarism," and describes October 7 as involving "mass killings, sexual violence, and arson" while Israeli actions are described as "targeted operations," "precision strikes," and "necessary self-defense."

7. International Law and War Crimes

Wikipedia: Notes that "experts and human rights organizations have stated that Israel and Hamas have committed war crimes", treating both sides' alleged violations seriously.

Grokipedia: Has separate sections for "Hamas Violations" and "Israeli Actions Under International Law," with the Hamas section focusing on terrorism and war crimes, while the Israeli section emphasizes legal justification, proportionality, and compliance efforts. It includes a section on "Investigations and Double Standards in Scrutiny" arguing Israel faces biased treatment.

8. Historical Context

Wikipedia: Provides context about the Israeli-Palestinian conflict, the occupation, and blockade as contributing factors.

Grokipedia: Emphasizes Hamas's ideology, its 1988 charter calling for Israel's destruction, and its "rejectionism" as the primary context, with a section on "Hamas's October 7, 2023 Attack" prominently featuring "Atrocities and Hostage Abductions" with graphic details.

9. Verification and Sources

Wikipedia: Generally presents available information with citations, acknowledging when sources are disputed.

Grokipedia: Systematically questions sources that reflect negatively on Israel (especially UN and Gaza Health Ministry data) while presenting Israeli military assessments as reliable. It includes phrases like "Hamas-controlled" and "unverified" repeatedly when discussing Palestinian sources.

10. Overall Narrative

Wikipedia: Attempts to present the conflict as complex with legitimate grievances and wrongdoing on multiple sides.

Grokipedia: Presents a clear narrative of Israeli victimhood and justified response to Hamas terrorism, with Palestinian civilian suffering primarily attributed to Hamas's tactics rather than Israeli military operations.

Conclusion

The Grokipedia article reads as an explicitly pro-Israel advocacy piece rather than an encyclopedia article. It systematically frames Israeli actions in the most favorable light while questioning, undermining, or recontextualizing information that might reflect negatively on Israel. This represents a fundamental departure from Wikipedia's attempt at neutral point of view, confirming the concerns about Grokipedia presenting topics aligned with Elon Musk's political positions.

slater 2 days ago||
“sorry, you have been blocked”
rolph 2 days ago||
i recommend urban dictionary as replacement:

https://www.urbandictionary.com/

cozzyd 2 days ago||
Based on a cursory glance at both, Urban Dictionary is more accurate.
thsName 2 days ago|||
I got blocked too. No ideas other than a faulty Cloudflare setup.
MrCoffee7 2 days ago||
same error here - they probably crashed because of inadequate server capacity
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