> some Web Applications just require low latency high bandwidth internet to work properly.

But the vast majority do not. And this haranguing is an opportunity / defensible position to put more efforts and resources into performances. If nothing else, think of it as a Trojan horse to make software suck less.

> That thinking is what gets you things like mandatory login via apps for your desktop.

"the web is mobile" = strictly "apps" ?

All of them can, but you get most benefit of a full-stack javascript framework if you are indeed running server js. But you can build statically in any of them (assuming you are not using any server-only features) and deploy as plain html/js.

Yeah, Svelte can.

Nuxt can too

A maintainer refactored the Analog app, so it's doing much better than before. The post has been updated.

See Performance Inequality Gap https://infrequently.org/2024/01/performance-inequality-gap-...

Your attitude is exactly why our supercomputers struggle to display even the simplest things with any kind of performance, and why pure text takes multiple seconds to appear

JS can be 100x or even 1000x times more expensive to process than images. JS also blocks the main thread, while images can be processed in the background (and on GPU).

If it was only 150kB for most sites. Usually that's followed up with multiple assets, API calls, often chained. Making the site slow.

The app in the article is a relatively simple demo app. These are the build times and sizes from a real relatively large react SPA I help maintain

  dist/assets/app.css   98.33 kB │ gzip:  17.69 kB
  dist/assets/app.js    1,050.14 kB │ gzip: 244.88 kB
   built in 15.41s

At these sizes, an islands/resumable based approach can trim a ton of loading time on mobile

Yes, it matters a lot, especially on mid/low end devices.

Reasons are given near the end:

> Here’s where this gets bigger than framework choice. When you ship a native app to the App Store or Google Play instead of building a web app, you’re not just making a technical decision. You’re accepting a deal that would’ve been unthinkable twenty years ago. Apple and Google each take up to 30% of every transaction (with exceptions depending on program and category). They set rules. They decide what you can ship. They can revoke your access tomorrow with no recourse. You have no alternative market. You can’t even compete on price because the fee is baked into many transactions.

Appstores complicate lifecycles by orders of magnitude.