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Posted by meetpateltech 2 days ago

The next chapter of the Microsoft–OpenAI partnership(openai.com)
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spumpydump 1 day ago|
A tangent, but it feels more and more like the AGI maximalists of 2025 are by and large the NFT maximalists from 2022 (who in turn were the NoCode maximalists of 2020) that are looking for the next metaphorical penny stock to sell.

That logical fallacy of, “I spent a week teaching myself this topic and now I’m ready to talk about it like an expert.”

anonymous908213 2 days ago||
> AGI AGI AGI AGI AGI AGI AGI AGI AGI

Spare me. Sam has been talking about ChatGPT already being AGI for ages, meanwhile still peddling this duplicitous talk about how AGI is coming despite it apparently already being here. Can we act like grownups and treat this like a normal tool? No, no we cannot, for Sam is a hype merchant.

respondo2134 2 days ago||
it's notable that there is no talk about defining what exactly AGI is - or even spelling out the three letter acronym - because that doesn't serve his narative. He wants the general public to equate human intelligence with current OpenAI, not ask what does this mean or how would we know. He's selling another type of hammer that's proving useful in some situations but presenting it as the last universal tool anyone will ever need.
cogman10 2 days ago|||
And because it's become apparent that LLMs aren't converging on what's traditionally been understood as AGI.

The promise of AGI is that you could prompt the LLM "Prove that the Riemann Hypothesis is either true or false" and the LLM would generate a valid mathematical proof. However, if you throw it into ChatGPT what you actually get is "Nobody else has solved this proof yet and I can't either."

And that's the issue. These LLMs aren't capable of reason, only regurgitation. And they aren't moving towards reason.

dagss 2 days ago||
When I ask Claude to debug something it goes through more or less the same steps I would have done to fine the bug. Add some logging, run tests, try an hypothesis...

Until LLMs got popular, we would have called that reasoning skills. Not surpassing humans but better than many humans within a small context.

I don't mean that I have a higher opinion about LLM intelligence than you do, but perhaps I have a lower opinion on what human intelligence is. How many do much more than regurgitate, tweak? Science has taken hundreds of years to develop.

The real question is: When do knowledge workers loose their jobs. That is close enough for "AGI" in its consequences for society, Riemann hypothesis or not.

joomla199 2 days ago|||
Did you read the whole thread and all of your own comment each time you had to type another half-word? If not, I’m afraid your first statement doesn’t hold.
parliament32 1 day ago|||
AGI is pretty clearly defined here: https://openai.com/charter/

> OpenAI’s mission is to ensure that artificial general intelligence (AGI)—by which we mean highly autonomous systems that outperform humans at most economically valuable work—benefits all of humanity.

So, can you (and everyone you know) be replaced at work by a subscription yet? If not, it's not AGI I guess.

vultour 2 days ago|||
This entire house of cards is built on the expectation that "AGI" is just around the corner. The moment Altman relents in his grift is the moment the bubble pops and we're in for a wild ride.
interactivecode 2 days ago||
Sam is doing the same playbook Elon used Tesla's full self-driving dreams
respondo2134 2 days ago|||
but with 10x or 100x the chutzpah
nalinidash 2 days ago||
Shows how much they valued 'AGI' wrt how we valued it in the textbook. https://techcrunch.com/2024/12/26/microsoft-and-openai-have-...
gostsamo 2 days ago||
My take:

OpenAI self-evaluated to $500B;

Microsoft commitment for $250B of services, a.k.a still 50% of that value is somewhat locked;

AGI still undefined;

Some more kicking of the can toward the future when it comes to payments;

Both have more freedom to do research and offer services;

Overall, lots of magic money talk with pinkie promise in the future and somewhat higher possibility of new products and open weights models.

schnitzelstoat 2 days ago||
> Microsoft continues to have exclusive IP rights and Azure API exclusivity until Artificial General Intelligence (AGI).

That basically means in perpetuity, no? Are there any signs we are anywhere near AGI (or even that transformers would be capable of it)?

eviks 2 days ago|
It doesn't because the definition of AGI is very flexible
iandanforth 2 days ago||
So now OpenAI is committed to spending $550 billion dollars? ($300B to Oracle and $250B to MS). If it currently has ~$10B in revenue / year, how on earth can it meet these commitments?
JohnnyMarcone 1 day ago||
They stated the total commitment is 1.4 trillion in their live stream about the restructuring and mentioned an IPO as the most likely path to get that amount of funding.
Lionga 2 days ago||
Has OpenAI not also committed to spending a few hundered billions at NVIDIA? I mean whats another few hundered billions when you are making so much profit.

Wait, they are not making any profit but already losing billions even before any of these "investments" ?

agnosticmantis 1 day ago||
> Once AGI is declared by OpenAI, that declaration will now be verified by an independent expert panel.

So OpenAI will declare AGI as soon as ChatGPT is a better AI lawyer than any Microsoft could hire.

djha-skin 1 day ago||
In short: Microsoft changed our business so that we can be for-profit, and asserted its rights over IP so that the whole OpenAI rebellion thing that happened earlier can't happen again.
butler533 2 days ago|
Why do none of OpenAI announcements have an author attributed to them? Are people that ashamed of working there, they don't even want to attach their name to the work? I guess I would be, too.
notatoad 2 days ago|
because they're corporate PR statements drafted by a team, and corporate press releases don't normally have an author byline
testfrequency 2 days ago|||
Eh, not really. There’s usually a “voice” behind it.

In general I feel like OAI is clown town to work at these days, so they probably don’t want anyone except leadership to take the heat for ~anything

butler533 2 days ago|||
Wrong

https://aws.amazon.com/blogs/

https://blog.google/

Lol, even Apple has authors listed https://www.apple.com/newsroom/

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