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Posted by andrem 10/28/2025

The AirPods Pro 3 flight problem(basicappleguy.com)
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numpy-thagoras 10/28/2025|
Is it the noise cancellation making a feedback sound, or is it the pressure differential in the ear canal pulling the ear drum back to produce a white noise?

He said that it goes away when he yawns, so I'm thinking it might be the pressure differential.

keepamovin 10/28/2025|
Yawning alters the conformation of the external auditory canal by displacing the mandible, which articulates with the tympanic plate of the temporal bone adjacent to the canal.

The seal might be so good that a small pressure differential happens as cabin pressure drops, which causes some issue with the microphone or speaker. Yawning might break that seal, or otherwise cause pressure equalization. Why only the left one? Apple might put some kind of special signal diagnostics or sensors in that side that bugs out under those conditions, or maybe human anatomy on the left side is consistently subtley different in a set of people.

Because this doesn't happen to everybody it could be some kind of "instrument effect" where the particular shape of someone's ear canal, and the interaction with their ear drum and the speakers and sensors in the app creates this tone, likely assisted by the constant driving signal of air cabin white noise.

giraffe_lady 10/28/2025||
> The seal might be so good that a small pressure differential happens as cabin pressure drops

That's my guess. I'm very sensitive to pressure changes and I know that cabin pressure on most planes is not constant even when cruising. It's in a range that most people won't notice but it definitely fluctuates near constantly within that band.

elAhmo 10/28/2025||
Anecdotal, one of my colleagues was sounding surprisingly clear on one of the calls, and I had to ask him what is he using. Turns out whose were AirPods Pro 3, so my first impression with their microphone is quite amazing. Comparable to "studio mics from MBP" from a generation or two ago. He shared noise cancellation is also great.
Tepix 10/28/2025||
Probably Airpods Pro 3 then and not Airpods 3. The latter have no noise cancellation.
elAhmo 10/28/2025||
yup, edited my comment, it was Pros
tecleandor 10/28/2025|||
It might also be because newer Bluetooth codecs being used. I think Apple doesn't publish a lot of documentation about it (or it isn't obvious, at least...)
elAhmo 10/28/2025||
Could be the case, but it is very obvious if someone is using Pros 1 or 2, the audio is really bad. This was honestly such a jump that I somehow wish my Pros 1 to break so I can get new ones :D Can't upgrade from a perfectly working set of headphones, although they are more than four years old and probably my 2nd most used device after the phone.
cactusplant7374 10/28/2025||
At first I liked the noise cancellation on the AirPods 4 but after a while I started feeling weird. A weird, fullness in my head. Not very enjoyable.
mvkel 10/28/2025||
I suspect this is fixable in firmware. What I heard on a long haul flight was the faint sound of the plane's engines traveling back and forth down a paper towel tube; a hollow, cavernous sound. It must be so tricky to nail these algorithms, but with the data of millions, it should be easier to triangulate and address.
garyfirestorm 10/28/2025|
i disagree here - having a feedback loop that makes loud noise instead of cancelling is fundamental failure of their ANC algorithm. There's basically no protection mechanism incase of divergence.
mvkel 10/29/2025||
If it's an algorithmic issue, can that not be changed?
garyfirestorm 10/31/2025||
my response was to the 'it should be an easy fix' sentiment. trying to address feedback loop without negatively affecting cancellation performance is extremely challenging, because for a mic/algorithm there's generally no way to determine if the error microphone is picking up a loud event in the environment or if the cancellation soundwave is incorrectly phased and instead of canceling its just adding more noise.
mvkel 11/6/2025||
By "easier" I meant: "easier than having to recall everyone's AirPods and give them redesigned ones." I guess it's all relative :)
plandis 10/29/2025||
I can reproduce this by covering one of the exterior mics used for ANC when there is a decent amount of background noise in the environment. It results in feedback that causes a high pitch ringing.

The AirPods Pro 2 don’t have this same issue. I can’t reproduce the same behavior regardless of how I cover the exterior on the pro 2s.

hnlmorg 10/28/2025||
Completely off topic, but when did people start calling earphones “headphones”?

Headphones are the cans that cup your ears and strap around or over the head. Hence their name.

Whereas earphones go inside your ear.

slg 10/28/2025||
I'm not sure if this is a "when did people start" situation. I have never heard a layman use "earphones" in casual conversation.
hnlmorg 10/28/2025||
People definitely used to. Or at least in the UK they did.
wk_end 10/28/2025|||
Yeah, might be a UK thing. In Canada/the US I've only ever heard "headphones" and "earbuds" (a specific kind of headphone).
hnlmorg 10/28/2025||
That would explain my surprise then. :)
slg 10/28/2025|||
Another example of us being separated by a common language. I don't think this has ever been common in the US.
simmons 10/28/2025||
I don't think it was ever common, since earphones weren't that popular until people started calling them "earbuds", but the term was historically used in at least some circles in the U.S. The 1988 Radio Shack catalog [1] seems to mention "earphone" 57 times, including two mono earphone products.

[1] https://www.worldradiohistory.com/Archive-Catalogs/Radio-Sha...

slg 10/28/2025||
That’s interesting, although that seems to be a different usage than OP mentioned. It seems to be used interchangeably with headphones as it’s also being used to describe cables and jacks.
0xffff2 10/28/2025|||
I'm reasonably certain that I am about as old if not slightly older than the invention of in-ear headphones. I'm also reasonably certain that I have always used "headphones" to refer to any small portable speaker designed to inject sound directly into the ears. I'm absolutely certain I have never used the term "earphones", although "ear buds" was/is a common synonym for in-ear headphones.
hnlmorg 10/28/2025||
I’m probably around 2 decades older than the invention of earphones and people definitely did used to call them that here in the UK.
conductr 10/29/2025|||
Then the US English is winning out because we never said earphones over here. I’m much older so have a clear memory of when they hit the market. We said earbud for a while but that was a momentary distinction and it seems we’ve mostly reverted to our generic term of headphones (which lacks any distinction on form factor ) so we use it for pretty much any and all cases.

I actually think the AirPods naming helped this as it’s kind of a clunky product name that’s nearly a misnomer if you consider iPod is still a part of our vernacular. I don’t hear people saying “where are my AirPods?” Instead it’s “where are my headphones?” Had it been called AirBuds then maybe it would have stuck since ear buds was a thing.

As I think back, I feel like earbud is distinctly tied to the corded iPod accessory. As that died out, so has the term.

userbinator 10/29/2025|||
You are... 150 years old?

https://patents.google.com/patent/US454138A/en

This nipple is adapted for insertion into the ear, and is ordinarily covered with a rubber cover to lessen the friction against the orifice of the ear.

iAMkenough 10/28/2025|||
In my corner of the world, we call them "earbuds" as a subset of headphones.

Earphones sounds antiquated. I could picture my father saying, "Let me connect my earphones to my gramophone so I don't disturb your grandmother."

hnlmorg 10/28/2025||
Hahaha. To be fair, I do have a record table and my speakers are of the non-smart variety with copper wires connecting them to Cambridge Audio amplifiers. So you could easily be talking about me too.
beala 10/28/2025|||
I use them interchangeably. Webster appears to back me up here. However, I only say earbud when referring to the type that's inserted into the ear.
efficax 10/28/2025|||
i've never heard anyone say "earphones"
fredoliveira 10/28/2025||
Something happened today as I was closing my car door, where I had the Airpods (Pro 3 as well) make this low but extremely loud rumble-like sound. Something related to pressure and seal, perhaps?

I could replicate it immediately at will. ANC on, nothing playing, sat on the driver seat and closed my door with a little bit of force.

n8cpdx 10/28/2025|
I also have this. I haven’t tried with cars, but the ANC seems to really amplify some deep bass sounds from the environment. To the point I hear things I wouldn’t ever notice before (e.g. different states of my air conditioner).

The problem is it comes through as an extremely loud rumble, usually in only one ear at a time.

Not a high pitched squeal, but a low pitched rumble. Goes away if I remove and reinsert, but immediately comes back in short order.

I can make it go away but only by using tips that don’t fit as well, and therefore don’t reduce noise as well (and also fall out of my ears while running).

buildbot 10/28/2025||
I have this issue intermittently just when walking around, at sea level! I can make them start screaming just by holding them even - The Airpods 2 do not have the same issue.
wahnfrieden 10/28/2025|
AirPods Pro 1 had that issue
alexjplant 10/28/2025||
I've not noticed them feeding back while listening but it happens whenever I put them in the case together for a split second. I also get a drop-out every time I walk past certain spots in my apartment building hallway because of what I'm guessing are ultrasonic sensors on fragrance dispensers or light fixtures. Definitely buggier than the previous version but the improvements in sonic accuracy and noise cancellation are well worth the inconvenience IMO.
JKCalhoun 10/28/2025||
"The issue would go away for me as soon as I yawn…"

So perhaps sealing your ears does not allow your ears to "pop" from the cabin pressure changes?

larusso 10/29/2025|
I was temped to upgrade from my 2nd gen AirPodPros which I use since they launched. Still use the same set. But I wanted to wait for some real world reviews. I also have the Max and love them. But sound quality and ANC is not as great as in the In-Ears which is rather funny. I have no real need to switch yet. But I actually thought to give them a try at around Christmas. But I planned to use mine for running and air travel as well…
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