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Posted by kjhughes 1 day ago

Nvidia takes $1B stake in Nokia(www.cnbc.com)
229 points | 146 commentspage 2
mgh2 1 day ago|
What exactly is "AI-RAN"?
lovelearning 18 hours ago||
The radio access network (RAN) is all the RF part of a mobile network: towers, base stations, the signals between our phones and the towers, phone-to-satellite comms (non-terrestrial network or NTN).

AI-RAN uses AI/ML for adaptive behaviors and optimizations in all these links.

For example, fine-grained RF and modulation details, called the channel state information (CSI), is constantly being exchanged between a phone and a base station. The volume of information creates transmission latencies. Using autoencoder models, this information can be semantically compressed to reduce its volume and decoded with high fidelity on the other side.

That's just one example. In the upcoming 6G, RAN will be "AI-native", using AI/ML everywhere. The standards may require AI accelerator chips in most base stations, NTN satellites, phones, and other elements.

donkeyboy 10 hours ago||
Thank you, the future is awesome!
jimmySixDOF 12 hours ago|||
AI-RAN is the strategic play here because it's unknown (outside of research lab NDAs ?) what potential real-time physical AI/ML implementation will have on the future of edge processing like organizing the low-layer 6G spectrum contention mechanisms. It's a near certainty that custom AI accelerators are a part of every radio base station in the near future so this is not cash investment but a new product line Joint Venture similar to the Intel story.
farco12 19 hours ago||
It's the name given to an initiative by telco vendors like Nokia and Ericson to explore using NVIDIA GPUs to supply the core compute needs of next generation Radio Access Networks (RAN).

It's a potential 6G architecture.

anovikov 15 hours ago||
Circular deals marching on
baal80spam 1 day ago||
ITT: Bubblers in full force!
randomname4325 1 day ago||
Does this signal the a big market for AI processing is at the edge?
iszomer 1 day ago||
That growing narrative regarding all these AI-centric companies "funding each other" is beginning to look a lot like Attrition.org's (former) sexchart..
ngcc_hk 22 hours ago||
Given 5g patent mostly h, usa has missed the boat. Somehow has to find its way back or be dominated. Not necessarily can build an empire or even a duopoly… but at least stay in the game like Intel. Understandable from usa point of view.
cinntaile 1 day ago||
Why? I don't get what's in it for Nvidia or Nokia?

AI on IoT devices?

ChrisArchitect 1 day ago||
Quietly supplying telecom equipment all this time, it really isn't the Nokia most know. Crazy that Nokia is still even a thing. Who noticed that logo had even changed (two years ago in 2023).
foobarian 1 day ago|
Honestly, I feel like this is what Nokia always was, and why they fell behind in consumer tech
bgwalter 1 day ago||
Microsoft (Elop and Ballmer) ruined Nokia's cell phone line that led to massive layoffs.

Let's see if this investment leads to the final elimination of an EU tech company. Why does Finland permit this?

phatfish 1 day ago||
Nokia never executed on a touch screen OS. If i remember their final attempt with a Linux based OS was considered "good", but it was too little, too late. It was already over when they were scooped up by Microsoft, who were desperate themselves.

Pretty sure Nokia was glad to offload the handset business so they could feed money into markets they were still competitive in.

pjmlp 1 day ago|||
Yes they did, a few Symbian models used touch, as did original Maemo device that only did wlan initially.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nokia_7710

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nokia_770_Internet_Tablet

ptx 1 day ago||
All the Symbian devices used resistive touch screens, though, didn't they? E.g. the Sony Ericsson Vivaz. So the user experience was not quite the same as with capacitive touch.
ZuLuuuuuu 12 hours ago|||
No, there were quite a few Symbian models which used capacitive touch, combined with a modern Qt based Symbian OS. Check out "Symbian Belle" and the phone models released with that OS version. I loved my Nokia 603 :)

But I think they only released such models with Symbian for a couple of years, before switching to Meego and then later Windows Mobile OS.

pjmlp 12 hours ago||
They were in parallel, due to the whole Symbian vs Linux politics at Nokia between teams, both platforms got ramped down to Windows Phone 7 introduction and burning platforms memo.

The N900 was released more for a question of honour than anything.

pjmlp 1 day ago|||
It is still touch, and yes you could use finger nails as well on those models.

However you have not read the links, not all models were alike.

> The Nokia 7710 is a mobile phone developed by Nokia and announced on 2 November 2004.[1] It was the first Nokia device with a touchscreen

Geee 1 day ago|||
That isn't really true. The N9 was definitely ahead of it's time with a buttonless gesture based UI similar to the modern iPhone.
chollida1 1 day ago|||
Microsoft did no such thing. Nokia is very directly responsible for its own cell phone failings.

This line of thought really needs to die.

The Nokia board hired Elop from Microsoft because they wanted to bet the company on the Microsoft phone, full stop.

If you want to assign blame, then its on Nokia for wanting to pursue that strategy.

pjmlp 1 day ago|||
As someone that was an employee at the time, I am also fed up with the anti-Microsoft narrative.

Also there are some errors there, Windows Phone only became an alternative after the burning platform memo, that wasn't at all well received neither internally, nor by the 3rd party devs that had just started to migrate their Symbian tooling yet again, this time to Qt + PIPS + Carbide.

The biggest blame with the board, as revealed on the Finish press, was the bonus clause on Elop contract to sell Nokia Mobile business.

nsonha 1 day ago|||
yes Nokia had years to come up with a better OS and they didn't. Even Samsung failed at this endeavor years later.
nicce 11 hours ago||
They had MeeGo (Qt/Linux). For some reason they thought that not worth it to continue. Let's take Windows!
iberator 15 hours ago|||
NOKIA IS NOT PHONE COMPANY. Never have been. They produce ayt of telecom stuff. Nokia was never ruined.
bgwalter 11 hours ago||
You are probably trolling, but if you cannot read Wikipedia yourself:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nokia

"In 1998 alone, the company had sales revenue of $20 billion, making $2.6 billion profit. By 2000, Nokia employed over 55,000 people and had a market share of 30% in the mobile phone market, almost twice as large as its nearest competitor, Motorola."

The mobile phone business was ruined (perhaps they should have used Android), therefore caution about new foreign influence is warranted.

jampekka 1 day ago|||
Nokia's market cap is over $40B, so $1B is not really Microsoft level coup. At least yet.
linhns 1 day ago|||
Nokia has been teetering on the edge for a period, so they would welcome such an investment.
foobarian 1 day ago||
Nokia has been at the edge of the abyss for a period, and then they made a giant leap forward /s
triceratops 1 day ago|||
To be fair Nokia, like Blackberry, was effed the moment iPhone launched. Elop hastened the decline but it was coming regardless.
distances 1 day ago|||
It wasn't iPhone that doomed Nokia, it was Android. All of the sudden all Nokia's competitors could ship fairly good touch screen phones, while previously Nokia had a virtual monopoly on advanced mobile operating systems (barring BlackBerry in the US).

Granted, it was going to happen anyway, probably through Microsoft if Google hadn't commoditized that market first.

Insanity 1 day ago|||
It's not quite the same, BlackBerry was mostly a 'phone' company and not a 'full telecom' company, in terms of hardware the produced. Nokia has other products that are more b2b than b2c.
triceratops 1 day ago||
Nokia has existed for over a hundred years. The success of its phones made it a major name and a ton of money in the early 2000s. Its other lines of business have continued to operate quietly. But it's no longer the force it was.
rhetocj23 1 day ago||
MSFT accelerated the invetiable.

There was just no way Nokia could match Apple on the OS who spent years prior to the idea of a smartphone making it a good match for the hardware of the time. And MSFT deservedly got punished for not investing in creating a better OS and Apple deservedly rewarded for doing so.

tgma 1 day ago||
They may never have had the chance to beat Apple but they could certainly have bet on Android instead of Windows Phone and today they probably would have been in a different place like Samsung.
hypeatei 1 day ago|
The bubble burst is going to be devastating for these smaller companies caught up in the frenzy. I'm staying invested in companies like Alphabet that are taking part in the race but offer more than just AI hopium.
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