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Posted by zoobab 2 days ago

The human only public license(vanderessen.com)
145 points | 123 commentspage 4
warpspin 1 day ago|
Seems somebody volunteered for the AI's torment nexus!
zkmon 2 days ago||
The challenge would be with detecting violations and enforcing the rules.
rgreekguy 2 days ago||
But my definition of "human" might differ from yours!
ferguess_k 2 days ago||
Man you are thinking about using the law as your weapon. Don't want to disappoint you, but those companies/people control lawmakers. You can't fight armies of lawyers in the court.
TechSquidTV 2 days ago||
This was my favorite fallacy of Web3. "But look I have proof the government stole from me!", man you think they care?
lopsidedmarble 2 days ago||
Ah yes, there's that craven willingness to abandon your own best interests to your oppressor that HN fosters and loves so much.

Demand better protections. Demand better pay.

Demand your rights. Demand accountability for oppressors.

pessimizer 2 days ago||
The goofy thing is to think that you're the first person to have made a "demand" and that anyone cares about your "demand." The reason people are oppressed is not because they have failed to make a request not to be.

Real "let me speak to your manager" activism. You have to have been sheltered in a really extreme way not only to say things like this, but to listen to it without laughing.

Here's some unrequested advice: the way to make simple people follow you is to make them feel like leaders among people they feel superior to, and to make them feel like rebels among people they feel inferior to. Keep this in mind and introspect when you find yourself mindlessly sloganeering.

lopsidedmarble 2 days ago|||
> The goofy thing is to think that you're the first person to have made a "demand" and that anyone cares about your "demand."

Unsure who you are addressing, but clearly its someone other than me.

Did you see where the OP implied that any activism is useless? Got any harsh words for that philosophy?

bigfishrunning 2 days ago|||
You know what, pessimizer, you're right. We should all bow down and submit to our lord Sam Altman right away. We should shove everything we produce into his meat-grinder because there's nothing we can do about it.

The LLMs are harmful to the business of creating software. Full stop. Either we can do something about it (like expose the futility of licensing in general), or we can just die.

While I think this licensing effort is likely to be ignored, I applaud it and hope more things like this continue to be created. The silicon valley VC hose is truly evil.

Imustaskforhelp 2 days ago||
>The idea is that any software published under this license would be forbidden to be used by AI. The scope of the AI ban is maximal. It is forbidden for AI to analyze the source code, but also to use the software. Even indirect use of the software is forbidden. If, for example, a backend system were to include such software, it would be forbidden for AI to make requests to such a system.

This is both interesting but at the same time IANAL but I have a question regarding the backends system

Suppose I have an AGPL software, think a photo editing web app and any customer then takes the photo and reshapes it or whatever and get a new photo, now saying that the new photo somehow becomes a part of AGPL is weird

but the same thing is happening here, if a backed service uses it, my question is, what if someone creates a local proxy to that backend service and then the AI scrapes that local proxy or think that someone copies the output and pastes it to an AI , I don't understand it since I feel like there isn't even a proper definition of AI so could it theoretically consider everything automated? What if it isn't AI which directly accesses it

Another thing is that it seems that the backend service could have a user input, think a backend service like codeberg / forejo / gitea etc.

if I host a git server using a software which uses hopl, wouldn't that also inherently somehow enforce a terms and condition on the code hosted in it

This seems a genuinely nice idea and I have a few interesting takes on it

Firstly, what if I take freebsd which is under permissive BSD iirc, try to add a hopl license to it (or its equivalent in future?) and then build an operating system

Now, technically wouldn't everything be a part of this new human only bsd (Hob) lol, and I am not sure but this idea sounds damn fascinating, imagine a cloud where I can just change the operating system and just mention it like proudly on HOB and it would try to enforce limits on AI

What I am more interesting about is text, can I theoretically write this comment under human only public license?

What if I create a service like mataroa but where the user who wants to write the blog specifies that the text itself would become hopl, as this can limit the sense of frustration on their part regarding AI knowing that they are trying to combat it

Also I am not sure if legally speaking this thing could be done, it just seems like a way so that people can legally enforce robots.txt if this thing works but I have its questions as I had shared, and even more

It would be funny if I wrote things with AI and then created a HOPL license

something like HOPL + https://brainmade.org/ could go absolutely bunkers for making a human interacts with human sort of thing or atleast trying to achieve that. It would be a fun social experiment if we could create a social media trying to create this but as I said, I doubt that it would work other than just trying to send a message right now but I may be wrong, I usually am

ukprogrammer 2 days ago||
nice, another stupid license for my ai dataset scrapers to ignore, thanks!
slipperybeluga 2 days ago|
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