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Posted by nate 6 days ago

A secret to never forgetting numbers(ninjasandrobots.com)
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bloak 2 days ago|
Talking about memorising numbers, one should definitely mention this well-known system which maps consonants to digits: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mnemonic_major_system

With a system derived from that you can quite easily learn to memorise a shuffled pack of playing cards, by which I mean: someone shuffles the pack of 52 cards and deals them out in front of you, one card every couple of seconds. An hour later you are able to recite the sequence of cards forwards or backwards. (But you can't do random access! What you've done is associate each card with its neighbours, so you can step through them forwards or backwards, without necessarily knowing which direction is which.)

vunderba 1 day ago|
Yup. It's also a weird omission for this article to seemingly claim credit for this "one minute memory trick" without a single mention of the actual method - the peg system.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mnemonic_peg_system

We learned this mnemonic in primary school for compressing sequences of thing (including numbers) into a single highly unusual mental image.

snozolli 2 days ago||
I listened to the audiobook version of Dominic O'Brien's Quantum Memory Power years ago. He explains this system, along with several others, like memory palaces. The mnemonics he uses for numbering are:

1: candle, 2: swan, 3: handcuffs, 4: sailboat, 5: curtain hook, 6: elephant’s trunk, 7: boomerang, 8: snowman, 9: balloon and string, 10: stick and hoop

Combining it with the journey method helps remember longer sequences. The funny thing is that you might remember the number two by imagining a giant swan in the next room. When you don't need to remember it anymore, you imagine yourself throwing a grenade into the room and blowing up the swan. It really works!

Darren Brown's Tricks of the Mind is generally about his life history in becoming a mentalist, but it has a lot of fun tidbits about methods to get over traumatic memories, amp yourself up for things you don't want you to, defuse arguments/fights, and it was the first place I ever heard of memory palaces.

mrwaffle 2 days ago||
Personally, it's much easier for me to remember 246 (or any other number up to about 6 digits) than some mapping I pretend to care about.
mattlondon 2 days ago||
Don't try and remember the number, just remember the location.

We're hardwired for spatial awareness.

jorisnoo 2 days ago|
This. I could never recall the numbers, yet i always find the right one, just by a feeling for where it is.
petesergeant 2 days ago||
about 30 years ago I read the same thing, but I found that code much easier because it rhymed with the numbers:

1, bone; 2, shoe; 3, tree; 4, door; 5, hive; 6, sticks; 7, heaven; 8, gate; 9, line; 0, hero.

hshdhdhehd 2 days ago||
And any rhyme would do so you can make it make more sense.

123 -> bone shoe tree

But also Run blue bee (imagine a blue bee running with legs!)

r0m4n0 2 days ago|||
I like this a lot better because you don’t have to visualize the way a number looks to remember the association, you say the word in your mind and just mentally say the number that rhymes. Seems faster to get the hang of
goopypoop 2 days ago|||
how can you rhyme 1 with bone?
rkomorn 2 days ago||
Might just start saying bone like one and one like bone.
austinjp 2 days ago||
I do very similar, but one = bun, 9 = wine.
deathanatos 2 days ago||
This makes me think of two things:

1. the NATO alphabet. (Alfa, bravo, charlie, delta…) It's surprisingly easy to memorize: it will only take you a few sittings of practice. And it's useful, for when you need to turn letters into words. And then people cutely wonder if you're ex-military.

2. I tie a small ribbon to my luggage. It could be anything: string, tinsel. If you're familiar with wine glass charms, same idea. It makes the bag identifiable from distance, so long as the charm is in line of sight. It does not, remarkably, stop strangers from grabbing the wrong bag, but it does get funny if they insist they recognize their bag when you ask them "you tied sparkly pink ribbon to your bag?"

jandrewrogers 2 days ago||
The NATO alphabet is an uncanny intersection of being highly memorable and having carefully engineered properties across several dimensions. Whoever designed it did a brilliant job.

It is sticky as hell and surprisingly useful. I do assume that people who know it are ex-military but that isn’t entirely reliable in the US. A lot of other people picked it up, in part because it is so easy to learn by osmosis.

fainpul 2 days ago|||
> Whoever designed it did a brilliant job.

It was an iterative process. Various words have been replaced over time, as problems became obvious.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NATO_phonetic_alphabet

neonz80 2 days ago||||
RobWords made a video about it a few weeks ago! https://youtu.be/UAT-eOzeY4M
defrost 2 days ago||||
I know it from amateur radio, emergency services, and maritime communications, it's "officially" the International Radiotelephony Spelling Alphabet, shorthanded by some as the NATO Alphabet.

Others may know it by virtue of being fans of, or simply exposed to the Bloodhound Gang.

( FWiW I'm neither in nor from middle North America )

GaelFG 2 days ago||||
Was really helpfull when making international phone call to services like IRS or sometime good providers. Trying to spell out my french name and long adress or some order number with my strong accent was such a pain until then ^^
devilbunny 21 hours ago|||
It's nigh-universal in the travel industry.
chias 2 days ago|||
Once upon a time I read the joking phrase "M as in Mancy" and now it is the only thing I can ever think of when trying to spell out the letter M.

Perhaps I have now infected one of you. I am sorry.

xavdid 2 days ago|||
This was originated (or at least popularized) in an episode of Archer from season 1. It remains maybe my favorite 5 minutes of comedy ever out to screen. It's just so tight!

https://youtube.com/watch?v=dNYMQpcqscA

halfcat 1 day ago|||
I once had a customer say, ”G as in dog”. Yes.
deathanatos 19 hours ago||
In my head I also maintain what I call the "adversarial NATO alphabet", which is sadly incomplete, but contains stuff like, "C, as in sea"; "Q, as in cue"; "T, as in tea", "I, as in eye".
rf15 2 days ago|||
An anecdote: I easily remember short-ish (pins, phone numbers) number combinations, learn completely new alphabets of new languages easily enough, just like their words, but I struggle to learn the NATO alphabet: the words have no meaning and I don't perceive them as atomic enough like a letter or number is, so it mostly looks like a large amount of random noise to me, like having to learn pi to 100 digits.
gblargg 2 days ago||
I forced myself to learn the NATO alphabet recently by using some online flashcards. Nothing complex, just shows the letter and I have to recall the word, then click to see if I got it right. Didn't take very long to get it down, and I go through them every few days to verify recall.
necklesspen 2 days ago|||
On a side note, the NATO alphabet is quite normalised in the Netherlands - most telephone operators will default to it when providing you information and likewise there is an expectation on you to use it when providing spelling sensitive information such as emails.
jvvw 2 days ago||
Same in UK - I usually use it when giving my postcode to people.
mattlondon 2 days ago||
Why not just put a name tag on your luggage?
deathanatos 19 hours ago|||
I have that too, of course! Can't read the name tag from across the baggage claim though, but sparkly ribbon + case design you can, and you can be 100% confident that that's your bag a stranger just grabbed.
IAmBroom 18 hours ago||
My solution was quicker and faster: buy luggage that is not black.

It now is recognizable at 100 yds against a pile of luggage. OK, a minority of luggage is also non-black, but there's a range of colors. Mine is a medium blue, and so false positives are about 1%, and false negatives are nil.

teo_zero 2 days ago|||
While effective, a tag is not efficient. Namely it misses two properties: "quickly" and "at a distance".
aapoalas 2 days ago||
I have a (knock-off) Moomin character as my tag: now it is again quickly recognisable at a distance.
tzury 2 days ago||
I've been Gematria since I am 6yo.

e.g. As a 48yo, I remember about 24 ATM PINs for many cards I had over the years, since they are all funny and memorable 4 letter names / words.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gematria

I started it as a person told my father his phone number (6 digits as Gematria that translate to "a cloth in my mouth")

234-281 (בגד בפי)

teo_zero 2 days ago||
I tend to visualize the position of the numbers on a phone's keypad. The sequence is then the travel to touch them in order. For some reason, I find easier to memorize that shape than the single digits.
isodev 2 days ago||
That’s so cool! I do this with colours - every number has a colour so I remember me imagining seeing the colour combination of a number. Like 438 is green, yellow, purple
hshdhdhehd 2 days ago|
I'd do that in reverse. More likely to remember 438 and so can use that to remember the colours!
isodev 2 days ago||
That’s so cool! It’s funny how memory works, I’m very visual in my mind when I need to remember facts it’s usually through some kind of scene or memory castle-like setup. Sometimes, I can remember the page or place where something is written so I “read” it in my mind in order to reproduce the fact.
hshdhdhehd 1 day ago||
Yeah for me 3D memory is good. Can remember layout of everywhere I lived even if I dont recall the address. But dont ask me what colour the bricks were.
kbrkbr 2 days ago|
Related: the mnemonic major system. Similar thing with consonants [1], somewhat time tested.

But probably not for aphantasts, at least I struggled. Much more with memory palaces.

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mnemonic_major_system

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