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Posted by denysvitali 3 days ago

1X Neo – Home Robot - Pre Order(www.1x.tech)
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seesaw 2 days ago|
Can a robot follow your instructions ? When you come back from your walk, can you shout from outside to have it open the door ? Can you also shout from outside to have it pack up the valuables and hand it over to you ?
xnx 3 days ago||
Good video of how the hardware actually works from the WSJ: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f3c4mQty_so
denysvitali 3 days ago|
Literally 5 seconds in and the first claim is already wrong.

"For 20k$, you can pre-order one now"

The pre-order is only $200

But yes, it gives a good perspective about what's the state of the robot right now

sosodev 3 days ago||
That's just semantics. The $200 is the deposit. It's $20,000 to actually buy it once they're ready to ship.
denysvitali 3 days ago||
My point was more that it can be cheaper ($200 + $499/month), and it wasn't mentioned
denysvitali 3 days ago||
Keynote / Video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LTYMWadOW7c.

Mind blowing.

Hamuko 3 days ago||
Big chic houses with designer furniture and people driving in Porsches. At least they have a good idea of the potential market.
xnx 3 days ago|||
What part blows your mind?
denysvitali 3 days ago|||
The fact that it feels like we're really getting there. The product is not perfect, and most importantly not shipped yet, but it's one of first humanoid robots I saw with a price tag and customer focus.

Point being, we might be at an iPhone-like pivotal moment for home robots.

xnx 3 days ago||
Don't be too confused by the shape. The 1X isn't so different from the robots of the 1980s: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y-LrNAKWZfI
jdietrich 3 days ago||
In the same way that a Tesla Model Y isn't so different from a golf cart.

If you showed a 1980s EE any component taken from the Neo, it'd look like science fiction. Some of the least sophisticated parts (motors & batteries) are still an order of magnitude better than anything available 40 years ago; the most sophisticated (processors, memory, camera sensors) are at least six orders of magnitude better. The Pentagon of the 1980s would have fought a small war to get their hands on a few of the MEMS IMU chips that we put in video game controllers.

lm28469 3 days ago|||
Personally it's the part where some rich dude in SV tells me he's building what sci fi says will save us time to focus on real things

The irony and complete disconnection from the reality of 99% of people is quite mind blowing indeed

vineyardmike 3 days ago||
This feels like the exact opposite of disconnected?

The last few years of tech have been full of keynotes with AI that can make art, AI that can send heartfelt messages for you, AI to make music, etc - All things people actually like to do and want to do.

This is a $500/mo robot that can do household chores so you don’t have to. Many people in America (estimated >10%) spend a few hundred a month already on actually hiring cleaners to visit their house and clean biweekly. This is cost-comparable and a task no one wants to spend time on.

This is a luxury, but it’s a top-25th percentile luxury not top 0.1%.

lm28469 2 days ago||
> This feels like the exact opposite of disconnected?

> This is cost-comparable and a task no one wants to spend time on.

It's a robot that will be mostly remote controlled by a wage slave to pick up your dirty socks, this is black mirror tier, not startrek tier.

leetharris 3 days ago||
Incredible technology, but that was an insufferable video. Still very cool, I might preorder one!
atourgates 3 days ago||
I hope you do!

I'm skeptical of v1 of this technology, but I could imagine a mature version of this technology could be great.

And $500/mo for essentially an always-available housekeeper seems very reasonable.

Where I live, having a housekeeper come for a few hours once a week costs about $100 a week, or $400/mo. Having a robot that could potentially always be there to:

* Tidy up.

* Clean

* Do laundry

* Help with other stuff

Seems well worth $500/mo. I don't expect that V1 of this technology will be able to effectively do all that stuff, but I'm hopeful that v2 or v5 might be able to.

On a related note, "folding laundry" seems to be a really hard challenge for machine learning to solve. Solutions like "Foldimate" kind of work if you individually hand it every piece in the right way - but nothing seems to be cable of having a human dump a bin of washed clothes in and spitting out nicely folded laundry. And everything so far that's promised to do that seems to be vaporware.

xnx 3 days ago||
> And $500/mo for essentially an always-available housekeeper seems very reasonable.

Maybe, but you should factor in that many chores can't be done at all, and those that can be done will take ~10x as long.

tpmoney 3 days ago|||
Slower is only a problem if you're waiting on the machine. I recently purchased one of those "all in one" heatpump washer and dryers. It is indeed on a per wash basis slower than my old separate washer and dryer. But over the course of a week and multiple loads, the total time spent is about the same or possibly even less.

Sure, my old washer could wash a load in say an hour and the dryer could dry that load in 2 hours. So 3 hours per load. Except that was only true for the first load. The second load has to wait for the dryer to be done with the first load, so it actually takes 2 hours to "wash" and then 2 hours to dry, so 4 hours total. And that assumes that I'm home or available at just the right moment to swap the loads. And forget running a load overnight. I mean I can, but why would I want to leave a sopping wet mass of clothes sitting waiting to be thrown into the dryer. The new one takes anywhere from 4-6 hours for a cycle to run. Seems like a terrible trade off, except I can start a load at 11 at night, and have a cleaned and dried load in the morning. I can throw a load in before I leave for work, and it will be cleaned and dried when I get home. It doesn't matter than it took an extra 3 hours because I wasn't there waiting on it, and I didn't have to swap the loads.

A side and unexpected benefit of this machine too is that it's actually faster at drying loads of bedding. The big problem with a classic tumble dryer and bedding is that it spins in one direction constantly. Early on when the bedding is all wet and heavy it starts rolling into a ball, and no matter how good your dryer's sensors are, you will almost inevitably open that dryer to a mass of hot on the outside bedding and damp on the inside. You'll unravel the mess, and throw it back in for another round or two. Because the drum unit for the all in one is the same as the washer unit, it spins in both directions while drying, just like the washing machine does. As a result, bedding never gets wrapped and balled up during the drying phase and the bedding comes out dry first time every time.

jfim 3 days ago|||
I'm skeptical too, but the fact that it works slower isn't too much of a problem if it doesn't require human attention and finishes before one is back home. It's just like how the Roomba can take as much time as it needs to to vacuum the living room when I'm gone for the day, as long as it's done by the time I get back.
rozap 3 days ago||
Oof. The roomba guy said that the form factor of robots inform customer expectations. I keep thinking about that and wincing when I see these humanoid robots. Even if there's impressive engineering that goes into them, people are going to expect they can do human things. When they can't, they're going to be disappointed.

I expect my robot vacuum to vacuum the floor, because it's a little wheeled disc on the floor. It's not going to be able to cook for me. But this thing? Yea, it should cook for me.

Hamuko 3 days ago||
I'm wondering how many people will attempt to get it to give them a handjob. After all, the form factor does have hands.
bluGill 3 days ago||
Form factor isn't what is important. What is important is the jobs it gets done. If it can do useful jobs we will accept the form factor. Roomba doesn't look like any other vacuum I've never owned, but it gets the floors clean so we learn that form factor means clean floors.

Humanoid only seems useful if it can do stairs - something many form factors fail at. Though I'd expect a centaur form factor could do stairs better and probably is cheaper.

ThinkBeat 2 days ago||
What they show is so far ahead of what other robots can do right now, esp in aggregate of everything it can do. There is not a lot of probability that this robot will deliver on its promises. That would be a major steppig stone, possibly worthy of a Noble Prize for someone.

I personallly would -not- want an alpha / re alpha large robot roaming my house. If it hullicinates or a horrible bug a lot of things could get destroyed in a hurry.

This feels like like Musks promises of a fully autonomous self driving car.

b3nji 2 days ago|
I'm not sure these are autonomous. I think these might be just remote puppets tied to a human operating them.
system7rocks 3 days ago||
Just in time for Halloween nightmares!!!!!!!!

Imagine being a kid and waking up to this sitting in your room, silently watching you sleep.

Imagine how terrified your dog is going to be of this thing, shuffling around or getting stuck with its foot on the edge of a rug.

Imagine finding it going through your underwear drawer when you come home from work early.

anonzzzies 3 days ago||
And in 5 seconds after the first ones ship, there will be videos of people attaching all kinds of sex toys to it, making it even worse.
renewiltord 3 days ago||
"imagine one day you eat your toast and you look down and it's actually cockroaches!"

Man makes up stories. Scares himself.

binary132 3 days ago|||
You’re right, it’s so unrealistic to imagine that maybe a hominid telepresence platform in your home with a human operator might get operated by its operator to do some type of weird privacy-violating stuff. Only a crazy person would dream of such a thing.
i80and 3 days ago|||
Like, this thing is nightmare fuel. They're making up nightmare stories because this uncanny valley horror practically invites the brain to do so.
renewiltord 3 days ago||
This is like the online trend of pretending that US Postal Police are superheroes, clowns are scary, fedoras are lame and so on. I get it.

Some people make jokes, and then the rest don't get the joke so they think it's real and go along with the meme out of wanting to fit in. Eventually, the neurotic find everything scary and dangerous. Everyone else just skips over this nonsense while you guys self-reinforce. Social media's worst effect.

samet 2 days ago||
Inevitable Futurama Robot 1X reference.

https://futurama.fandom.com/wiki/Robot_1-X

lm28469 3 days ago||
I love the FAQ that for some reason tells you this thing cannot cook but it doesn't tell you what it can actually do
xnx 3 days ago||
Occam's razor says this is because it can't actually do anything.
vineyardmike 3 days ago||
To be fair, the actual “Product” tab that describes the products lists what it can do:

* Water Plants

* Turn off lights

* Get the door

* clean up trash

* Load/Empty dishwasher

* Tidy House

* Laundry

* Bartend Party

* Feed Pets

* Play music as the most over engineered Bluetooth speaker

thw_9a83c 3 days ago||
> the products lists what it can do...

In other words, nothing very labor/skill intensive yet.

And if you let your robot feed your pets, they will eventually love the robot more than you. I suppose that's the last activity you'd want to hand over to an inanimate object.

perihelions 3 days ago||
Related thread (8 months ago),

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43132260 ("Neo Gamma (Home Humanoid) (1x.tech)"—48 comments)

anonymousiam 3 days ago|
For those who want to learn something about the product before forking out $20k (or $500/mo), there's a product info page here: https://www.1x.tech/discover/neo-home-robot
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