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Posted by stalfosknight 1 day ago

Samsung makes ads on smart fridges official with upcoming software update(arstechnica.com)
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sidewndr46 1 day ago|
Finally, manufacturer's can be liberated from the opressive existence of a world without advertising revenue
aj_icracked 1 day ago||
I have the Samsung Frame TV (great TV btw) and decided I didn't want to pay the $5 / month to have curated art in the room and when Superman the movie came out a few months ago it was only displaying Superman comics on the screen. Was super annoying bc was subtle but not subtle enough. I uploaded family pics instead so I don't have that anymore but it was still pretty annoying. I have samsung washers / dryers / dishwasher etc all connected to the internet and I love the notifications when a load is done but I don't know how useful the data is... I assume data brokers are like, "Oh Aj uses his washing machine 7 times a month let's hit him with Tide ads", but I assume everyone uses the machine that much. I'm fine having my machines tell Samsung use bc it's normal usage (i think?)
move-on-by 1 day ago||
If you are thinking of data - you have to think of meta data. Instead of how often you do laundry think more:

* number of adults in the house hold (people who have access to the account)

* when you are home

* opening fridge/doing laundry/etc. I have no idea if their app has an excuse to ask for location- but app location tracking would be the most valuable data

* even if you don’t share location- these things are on your network and any regular and simple network scanning would show when certain devices are home and we they are not home and what schedules they follow

This isn’t even very imaginative, just the basics really. I would not be surprised if you could guess the household size solely based on the number of times a fridge is opened in a day. You could at least determine between a person without a family vs. family- that’s useful for ads. Are these the fridges that have cameras in them ‘so you can see what you have while at the grocery store’? Throw some image detection in there and you now know brand targeting and if they cook regularly or eat out. A goldmine of data really.

dmoreno 1 day ago|||
I use home assistant and a smart plug to get notifications when the socket has less than 1w load for 5 mins -> washing machine finished. Maybe one of the best automations I have. And all local.
pndy 1 day ago||
I've bought Frame as well because our 10 years old Philips tv got a nasty dead pixels bar mid screen that made watching tv really annoying - prob moisture got inside. I was curious how Samsung's ecosystem looks like in comparison to Apple's and tbh, I didn't expect the main hub app asking for location access way before even looking up for the devices.

But that was a hard no for me. I just left all of that alone - we have a ISP set-top box that comes with FTTH tv and few services so I don't need to log in anywhere else.

Mother has a hearing aid and she wanted to try Bluetooth connection - devices paired without mobile app but she couldn't lower volume down on tv nor on her device, even with aid's own app.

It still wasn't as bad as expected. I read some of the experiences people had where they couldn't even get into the home screen of tv before agreeing for network connection or login to some cloud services.

Fiends got some 4k Samsung for their new house - it comes with some AI features because of course it does. They said that they couldn't easily find picture controls and every show was automatically adjusted on brightness, saturation etc., making anything pain to watch.

They also got washing machine/dryer combo from Samsung as well - weeks after someone posted on our discord server video from Polish store where bunch of guys "hacked" similar smart-enabled machine and launched... youtube with that dancing "6 grams" cow clip. What a time to be alive.

npteljes 1 day ago||
Funny that they do that after the purchases have been made. Goes to show how much bundled services upset the user-manufacturer relationship, to the detriment of the user.

Using a service is an ongoing relationship, and relationships change over time, sometimes for the worse. This needs to be factored in as risk, every time someone makes a purchase that includes a service.

assimpleaspossi 1 day ago||
>>The box will change what it displays “every 10 seconds,” the publication said.

OT - This reminds me of the digital billboards on the highway that change before one has the chance to understand what it's advertising. I don't even have the chance to count the seconds before the ad changes much less see what it's advertising.

atum47 1 day ago||
Galaxy S2 was the best phone I ever had. I think it was pure Android, if not, you had some minor apps from Samsung that you could've delete. I think I left the Samsung train right about S5 (which was supposed water proof, but it wasn't). It was just down fall from there. Samsung account, locked phone full with shitty apps that you couldn't remove (without rooting)... I don't think I'll ever have anything from Samsung in the near future
askvictor 1 day ago|
I had the original Galaxy S, and that was very much not pure Android, and no other Galaxy I've had has been (so presume the S2 wasn't either). Prior to Android, they had their own OS, and wanted to continue the UI/UX rather than changing to Android.
lunias 20 hours ago||
I worry about the thought process of the average consumer. Who exactly is buying these? How have smart fridges not been a colossal failure?
jp0d 1 day ago||
Soon there will be a subscription model to use certain features in the fridge! Spherical ice and fast cooling will cost $9.99 per month!
petepete 1 day ago|
With the $15.00 per month Pro Chef subscription you can enable the freezer compartment.
t1234s 1 day ago||
Is there an alternative OS scene for these types of appliances?
embedding-shape 1 day ago||
Not yet it seems, but if history is any good indication of the future, someone at one point will have their "You won't give me API access to my own goddamn fridge?!" moment and GNU.V2 will be born.
ReptileMan 1 day ago||
Yesterday I was seriously thinking about aftermarket control boards startup for some of my appliances (mostly the AC that has disgustingly low performance because of eco modes). Seems that there will be one for fridges too.
pavel_lishin 1 day ago||
> Samsung also said that its fridges will only show contextualized ads, instead of personalized ads, which rely on collecting data on users.

What is a contextualized ad?

Fwirt 1 day ago||
Probably ads for things that you would think of buying when you're standing near the fridge in the kitchen. So not Clash of Clans but La Croix.
mrweasel 1 day ago||
Well, they probably won't be able to sell enough ad space to supermarkets, so people will get ads for "World of Tanks" and sports betting.
Supermancho 1 day ago|||
Contextual means based on related taxonomy of interest. How that interest is measured and what "related" means is proprietary.

This is distinct from demographic (trends based on physical attributes, like age) or geographic or behavioral (your buying patterns) and they already know the device targeting because it's their fridge.

Classic digital advertising vectors.

atourgates 1 day ago||
"I noticed you had Yoplait brand yogurt in your fridge. Here's a coupon for $0.75 off your first six-pack of Chobani!"
r0ckarong 1 day ago|||
Don't some of these have "smart" features to detect what is actually in your fridge and tell you if you run out? I would think removing the last piece of butter could trigger an ad for whatever cow-milk-fat substitute won the highest bid on the brainfuck raffle that day would be shown to you.
abdullahkhalids 1 day ago||
Such a smart feature would most likely include reading labels, which means that the system would also know some of the medicines you consume. The fridge would most likely also record the user's interactions with the fridge, so the system will also know what your prescription amounts are. The possibilities of abuse are endless.

Another one: "you have consumed 20 units of alcohol this week, and run out. Should I order this 25 pack that is cheaper?"

jandrese 1 day ago|||
Ads for things it overheard you talking about recently.
immibis 1 day ago||
Personalized ads are based on your user profile (ads for motorbikes because you're tagged as someone who loves motorbikes). Contextualized ads are based on where and when they're being displayed (ads for food delivery on the fridge late at night) but not on your user profile. This is the advertising industry, so they're probably lying, or they're not lying yet but they plan to add personalized ads later.
fxtentacle 1 day ago|
Yay to living in the EU! Since I would be allowed to get a full purchase-price refund if they'd try to pull this shit in the Europe, they limited the new "Cover-Screen-Widget" to only activate within the US.

I know, I know, I suffer daily from government overreach ;) But have you tried lobbying for your fellow humans?

antegamisou 1 day ago|
Europoors seething they can't afford ad-ridden fridges. /s
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