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Posted by padolsey 6 hours ago

Tips for stroke-surviving software engineers(blog.j11y.io)
222 points | 56 comments
weddpros 5 hours ago|
Suffered a stroke in 2004 (migrainous infarction). Became half blind. Rested for a good year. Became a photographer for 8 years, then switched back again to software development. From then on, the limits were: WFH only, limit stress, run away from job if things go bad again. Nap if brain feels exhausted. Sleep, more and better. 20 years later (53yo), I'd say I'm doing great! Also fitness helps remind me to take care of the body...
ownagefool 1 hour ago||
Tech has built literal industries of people trying to stress you out, and they mostly don't have actual tech skills or the empathy that comes with them so back it up.

For me, I usually try to avoid anything where the working practices are strongly defined. Agile has long been a bad word.

I'm glad you're doing well now.

ricardobayes 18 minutes ago||
Unfortunately while the intentions around agile were noble it's pretty much a direct way to burnout or worse. The human mind is not designed to "sprint" run a marathon, metaphorically speaking, forever.

I see older devs being active in the trade well into their 60s but even as I much younger person I don't see how agile development is sustainable for a ~50-year career.

ownagefool 8 minutes ago||
The thing is, the core agile points from the manifesto are pretty much universally fine and can pretty much be boiled down to, "make changes fast, get feedback, gain more understanding faster".

Pretty much everything that's been layered on top though has either nothing to do with the manifesto, or actively breaks it. i.e. there's a burning issue, I'll get to that after my sprint commitment, which was sold to let me finish work, but now only exists to stress me out to squeeze more widgets per unit of time, where the widgets pretty much never actually map back to anything actually tangible.

bonesss 1 hour ago|||
> WFH only, limit stress, run away from job if things go bad again

I’m facing a similar set of health-based restrictions, it’s edifying and impressive how you’ve pushed through. I’m curious: how do you broach this with potential employers and shape your job search/career path around it?

Applying for pure remote positions puts one in direct competition with younger people who can pull obscene hours with no accommodation needs. Leading with disability/accommodation needs feels like the opposite of the ‘best foot forward’ honeymoon phase salesmanship associated with new jobs, and kinda soul crushing regurgitating the circumstances for chronic illness while hoping for a job. And uncontrollable management changes can eliminate medical protections and acceptable working environments, leading to an enhanced need to be able to hop jobs (exacerbating both the previous situations).

I’m fortunate my primary skills are amenable to straightforward accommodations, but you gotta get the job to do the job…

iberator 3 hours ago|||
Whats your stack? (Software). Very impressive after 8 years to come back
weddpros 3 hours ago||
Today it's Go-TS-react-node-K8s-mongo-PG-RabbitMQ

Well, I said "I'll never do IT again"... and when I say never, it usually happens in the end ;-)

boobsbr 1 hour ago||
Did you work with something else during your rest period?

I don't think most people wouldn't be able to, financially.

lm28469 1 hour ago||
> I don't think most people wouldn't be able to, financially.

Pretty sure you'd be covered in a lot of western countries, and if not you have relatively cheap insurances that cover these things.

W0lfEagle 1 hour ago||
This feels like a very naïve viewpoint. The reality being that you can't rely on insurance at all. You might have insurance but that certainly doesn't guarantee you'll be financially supported through health issues. You'll also be required to engage in legal battles with your insurance company which might be prohibitively complicated after a brain injury.
lfkdev 39 minutes ago||
No, at least in Germany (pretty sure other western countries too) you are covered after stuff like this. You won't be rich, but enough housing food and your camera.
immibis 14 minutes ago||
Note: only if you're a German citizen.
buserror 4 hours ago||
Had a stroke 2 months ago at 55, after an entire life (professionally since I'm 16) as a dev. I mostly followed these rules apart from when I got dragged into a project that was sufficiently interesting that I started overworking. 12-14h days.

Just don't do that. I used to do that just fine and that's why I thought I was OK. I mean, I USED to go on in huge coding benders, did'nt I ? Well apparently not at 55, when the pressure has been on for months instead of weeks.

Other things to watch -- diet! With the work came less free time, put on weight etc and all the good habits I had built for years, disappeared.

And the worst bit you can think of is "Oh but I'm so CLOSE to being done, I'll just fix it up later when I can relax". Just don't.

I lost all sensation on the right side. It is coming back slowly. I can still work, didn't lose speech or mobility or strength, I consider myself super-mega-lucky in that.

padolsey 2 hours ago|
> when I got dragged into a project that was sufficiently interesting that I started overworking

This is what bites. I have some really narrow interest areas that I can end up being obsessive about, to my own detriment. We have to be careful.

Glad you didn't lose mobility and speech! I also feel lucky. I met others in neuro-rehab in far worse situations. For three months I couldn't walk and now thankfully do so with a stick and ankle brace. The hard stuff isn't the stuff you can see visually though. People see my floppy leg, and might presume that's the main thing, but nope. The big thing is the epilepsy, this constant monster present in the background. It's the invisible stuff that's often hard.

boobsbr 1 hour ago||
> HEADPHONES, blinders, and 'No'. Eliminate unwanted inputs at the earliest point of entry.

Open-floor offices, non-stop emails and chat messages, several meetings scattered throughout the week and the day.

This kills productivity and increases stress and fatigue for people that need to concentrate to work on complex stuff. There's also the time you need to properly switch contexts.

keyle 3 hours ago||
I haven't had a stroke but I did get a nasty tropical mono when I was young. You never quite recover from that one. I've got ibs since. My stomach just gets tired and stops. My mental focus feels the same. I sleep 9 hours a night, often 10 and I'm still tired.

I feel I always have less stamina than other people.

So this list is close to what I have always preached.

Time as in energy is my most precious resource.

Don't let processes suck the life out of you. They're there to serve the people not the other way around.

OsrsNeedsf2P 5 hours ago||
Strikes close to home. 8 years ago I was in a bike accident that took me out for 4 months. I instantly felt dumber. The headaches became a fact of life, and the need to get out of the house early in the day to avoid brain fog creeping in became a routine.

It... sucks. I've still progressed my career and made significant strides, and come to appreciate things that I never would have noticed if I kept on my previous trajectory, and while I don't think about it much anymore, for years it ate at me.

az226 2 hours ago|
Do you still have headaches?
emmelaich 1 hour ago||
All excellent advice even if you haven't suffered some health issue like stroke.
fennec-posix 6 hours ago||
I think these are also good strategies for anyone who suffers from mental illness/burnout.
Muromec 54 minutes ago||
All of that and parenting. Notifications off, camera off, WFH to the max and keeping the journal of where you were before attention was hijacked by the usual suspects.
ngcazz 2 hours ago||
ADHD...
a5c11 13 minutes ago||
Didn't have a stroke, but in addition to developing software, I developed "software" brain issues too.
boardwaalk 3 hours ago||
How strange to come across someone whose medical stuff so mirrors my own. I was just a decade older and don’t have epilepsy symptoms with meds. I can get behind all the advice here. Running out of “juice” and needing a break is very much thing. Before too but more so now. And taking a lot of semi stream of consciousness notes to help my more limited memory is too.
anonzzzies 4 hours ago|
Good advice. I had one young too; I worked long days and had no life outside my company; it was in an economic downturn so I was also burning out (hindsight). I figured out what was important to me and that all changed everything.
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