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Posted by skilled 10/29/2025

Israel demanded Google and Amazon use secret 'wink' to sidestep legal orders(www.theguardian.com)
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parliament32 10/30/2025|
> According to sources familiar with negotiations, Microsoft’s bid suffered as it refused to accept some of Israel’s demands.

MS/Azure being the good guys for once? Colour me surprised.

nickdothutton 10/30/2025||
The WWW = Western Wall Wink.
gadders 10/30/2025||
Imagine if someone asked for the data for money laundering investigations. The cloud provider could get prosecuted for "tipping off".
nakamoto_damacy 10/31/2025||
> Was it agreed by some salespeople without the knowledge of legal / management?

LOL. No. That is not how it works. Legal combs through every contract, negotiates, and gates the process, while revenue officers act very self-entitled to having the contract signed ASAP. Legal has to do their job, or they're a liability.

zawaideh 10/31/2025||
History repeating itself: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IBM_and_the_Holocaust
CKMo 10/30/2025||
Microsoft of all companies were the ones who had backbone here? What the heck
AlanYx 10/31/2025||
Based on reported decisions (mostly SCA-related; FISA stuff is not public), Microsoft is the cloud provider who's litigated the most on behalf of client privacy. e.g., It was the Microsoft Ireland case, challenging the extraterritoriality of the Stored Communications Act, that ultimately led to the CLOUD Act.

Microsoft understands at a corporate level that it's in their business interest (as a global vendor) for local lawful access regimes to be as narrow as possible. Their pushback here is understandable; if they're not seen as trustworthy by the US government, it potentially undermines a lot of the latitude they're trying to fight for.

aaa_aaa 10/31/2025||
Not until it was unveiled. Also still allowing. none has any backbone.
mock-possum 10/31/2025||
All aspect of this disgust me and I don’t know what to do about it
slim 10/31/2025||
Are google and amazon liable for conspiracy to commit a federal crime ?
worik 10/30/2025||
We know already that Google and Amazon are morally bankrupt. (My brain is spinning that Microsoft are the "good guys" here).

But I do not think we knew that Google and Amazon would engage in criminal conspiracy for profit

mattfrommars 10/30/2025|
Israel just can't get any more shittier.
int_19h 10/31/2025||
The correct amount of military or any other American money going to Israel is $0.
kossTKR 10/30/2025||
My comment and others point to the israeli atrocities here all just all just got flagged and removed in a very suspicious way with tons of "disinformation" comments below them, basic stuff that's literally been said by the UN, Amnesty, Red Cross, Doctors without borders etc. for years is flaggable now?

I thought censoring and straight up brigading was not allowed here? But i guess if they do what the article is about they can easily sway a thread like this in a few minutes, and i'm sure they do when stuff becomes frontpage on various sites. Can't talk about the genocide.

FridayoLeary 10/31/2025||
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KingMob 10/31/2025|||
> You're making the appeal to authority fallacy

Funny, I thought he was adjusting his Bayesian priors based on available evidence.

From a classical logic perspective, it's correct that authority does not imply truth.

But from a pragmatic Bayesian perspective, when verifying the truth of a matter is difficult-to-impossible for a layperson, we all try to figure out the truth based on what authorities say and our assessment of their trustworthiness.

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HNers really need to grok that high-school debate club doesn't help you with reality.

FridayoLeary 10/31/2025||
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DrScientist 10/31/2025|||
> Pure common sense would tell you that in such a dense urban environment a 2 or 3 to one military to civilian ratio would not be unexpected during the course of a military operation.

So a ratio of 3/1 is fine is it?? I wonder if you can guess what date a ratio of 379/1195 comes from?

Note the ICC warrants aren't one-sided.

KingMob 10/31/2025|||
Sorry, but after applying Bayes' Law, I'm down-weighting you as less trustworthy after this comment. Tagged and noted.
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