Posted by wslh 1 day ago
How greedy do you have to be to look at that and say "yeah, well they could be getting bigger returns with an actively managed portfolio?"
I'm pretty sure Tether was holding less cash than they said multiple times, and at multiple points it was just a house of cards where they were inflating the price of BTC on their own, but I'm also guessing by now they've had made enough to cover.
Luckily for the crypto people, Tether makes it near impossible to turn their fantasy money into real money
> How greedy do you have to be to look at that and say "yeah, well they could be getting bigger returns with an actively managed portfolio?"
This is banking and finance. Greed only stops when you run into legislative limits, and sometimes, not even there.
Isnt the whole idea this is a stable coin?
Based on the Q2 2025 attestation [1] it looks like they have about 162B in assets and 157B in liabilities which leaves ~5B in shareholder equity. Even if they hold most of those assets in treasuries, they probably have an egregiously high return on shareholder equity.
(Fun fact: I think this puts their leverage ratio as high as banks during the 2008 GFC. But treasuries should theoretically be safer than subprime mortgage loans).
Equities would give a higher return on average, they don't really work when the liabilities can get called at any time. Tether has to be able to produce money for people exchanging their tether.
If you were in their position and I gave you 150 billion dollars on the condition that I can withdraw that 150 billion dollars at any time. You'd probably also park it in a short-term money market fund. If you put it in equities and it dropped 1%, you'd be on the hook for 1.5 billion.
[1] https://tether.io/news/tether-issues-20b-in-usdt-ytd-becomes...
A huge understatement, don't you think? ;)
US debt is about as stable as the dollar itself, so to their crypto customers buying bonds is a no-op. Any yield is pure profit for Tether itself.
They may have somewhat sketchily put money into bitcoin at times though.
If you doubt their attestation, it is more reasonable to doubt their claimed total assets before worrying about the breakdown of their investments.
There is a huge demand for dollars by individuals outside of the US. Countries where people do not really trust their banks and currencies.
Even in the Euro zone, most saving accounts will give you about 1% after taxes. So why not going with USDT, USDC or EURC and get about 5% on a relatively safe lending platform.
You can also provide liquidity on a stable stablecoin/stablecoin pair on a reputable decentralized exchange and get some of the fees.
There are surely many other "safe" ways.
If you live in Switzerland you're probably not gonna bother but it is more transparent and safer than than what a lot of people have access to around the world.
I know the DAI stablecoin was already very popular as a saving account in Argentina around 2018-2019.
its just like your brokerage account, imagine if Schwab issued a stablecoin for every deposit someone made and only delete some of that stablecoin when they redeem
you'll find that people deposit and trade, they keep their balances there their entire life and beyond. when they trade, they are selling the stablecoin to someone else, someone else could redeem but they aren't either. stablecoins are liquid and useful, they have passive income capabilities while holding your principle value
so for Schwab's reporting, the balances always increase as people deposit more whenever they get their paycheck
this is what you're seeing with Tether, and all other leading stablecoins, as they grow at the same pace as they capture the same market
when actual traditional finance brokerage firms start issuing stablecoins, you'll see the same thing, the stablecoin just offers transparent real time behavior into their customer deposits
the only time stablecoin balances go down, and subsequently treasuries are offloaded behind the scenes, is when someone redeems a stablecoin for fiat currency. this isn't necessary, people don't want fiat or don't need to get fiat by redeeming it
https://www.npr.org/2025/10/10/nx-s1-5565181/trilemma-treasu...
Explanation: Tether is not holding a stack of paper bonds in a safe. They must use some broker (or similar) to operate and hold the treasuries for them. And they are hiding how this is working. So the parent's question is who do they (Tether) hold it (treasuries) through (as in what broker/investment bank/whatever).
My answer is nobody outside Tether knows. And they are one of the dodgiest companies out there. We are totally audited, bro, trust me. They could be doing leveraged investments. Or they could just be Madoff 2.0. Nobody really knows. And the US government seems to be looking the other way because they are desperate for any buyers of treasuries.
USDC by contrast are open in their holdings, through Blackrock.
Large invisible "dark matter" financial holdings are the sort of thing that blow up badly during a financial crisis.
https://fortune.com/crypto/2024/11/25/commerce-nominee-howar...
Selling massive amounts of debt with no additional demand means the required return must be higher.
Some sort of behavior by Tether and others?
Are you asking how laws work?
I think I’m missing what scenario people are thinking of in general.
If you mean Tether holders redeeming them for US dollars, that would involve selling treasuries but I doubt it would drive the price down that much. That's a very liquid market.
[1] Stable Coins ⊄ Blockchains: https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/stable-coins-blockchains-seba...
a crypto liquidation results in more people going to Tether. "tethered" and "tethering" has been a verb in the crypto space for like 10 years
when market demand of tether is too great the value goes about $1.00 and the organization relies on arbitragers to deposit more to cause the minting of Tethers at $1.00 and selling it into the open market if the price is above $1.00 pushing the market rate back down to $1.00
Tethers in existence still continue to grow in that scenario
Its nearly 1:1 backing, most of the time, even a mass redemption event of Tethers will be orderly and fine. those crisis of confidence have alreay occurred, those stress tests have already happened, far faaaar beyond what any bank would survive
all fiat collateralized stablecoins function the same way and there are many case studies, actual events that happened, that show it occurring orderly, uneventfully.
I'm not sure of this. USDT can only be minted by tether [0] (line 406), hopefully when they acquire more treasuries.
I am not exactly sure where the price of USDT come from and I am pretty sure there is not only one. But I would guess it is an aggregate of the prices on exchanges.
The chainlink oracle [1] is probably the most authoritative one.
- [0] https://etherscan.io/token/0xdac17f958d2ee523a2206206994597c...
- [1] https://data.chain.link/feeds/ethereum/mainnet/usdt-usd
when tethers and trading at $1.04 or anything higher than $1.00
arbitrageurs wire money to their account at the Tether organization (bitfinex, otc services) to instruct the organization to mint Tether
the organization does everything necessary: takes the deposited money and buys US treasuries, mints the equivalent amount of Tethers and gives those tethers to the customer
The customer deposited $1 and received 1 tether. Some exchange venues have people rushing to buy 1 Tether for $1.04
Customer sells their tether to them and has some other form of crypto that they can try to get back into dollars and do it all over again, until flooding the market with Tether supply back to $1.00
this happens all day every day for a decade, more pronounced during panic selling periods
To put that in perspective, that's what Saudi Aramco or Samsung might get as revenues.
But hey, don't just trust them, trust their bank and it's 33 year old deputy CEO who, when people pointed out that that number didn't match up with international banking numbers, said that was because those people didn't understand the banking licenses being used in The Bahamas, and that there were two, though he couldn't remember their names, or which one they had, or whether they maybe had both.
And when that looked hilariously bad, they removed his info from the bank's website.
And when that looked bad, they added it back.
And when that looked bad, they removed the bank's whole website, and replaced it with a broken WP template with no working links.
Hey, look, several years after that, go to Deltec's website. "Ultra sophisticated private banking" running on a different WordPress site. "Client login"? "This site can’t be reached Check if there is a typo in ebanking.deltecbank.com. DNS_PROBE_FINISHED_NXDOMAIN". Just as has been the case for years.
"Sounds legit to me" say the bros.
Otherwise I'm not sure how you can be so certain.
Take your conspiratorial trutherism elsewhere.
On a timeline deemed appropriate by the law makers is making a lot of heavy lifting here. The (GOP) lawmakers won't lift a finger to do anything unless the Leader says so.
Like, even Enron and Wirecard passed audits, so it's pretty weird that Tether can't.
To me the obvious explanation is that they would not pass an honest audit, and hope having the CEO of their primary brokerage in the Cabinet will help them cheat.
Trump squeezed Intel for 10%, bullied Tiktok into a sale, and is ordering extrajudicial killings not that far away from the Bahamas.
What is to stop him saying: Tether is sketchily governed (seems true), is secretive and unaudited (seems true?), and holds far too much debt for the USA to be secure (could well be true) — "this is against our national security interests"?
$135bn that Congress can't touch must be really tempting. What stops him just taking it?
Especially since his sense of "national security interests" includes Canada making fun of the USA with clips of Reagan.
(I'm not sure that it would even be the wrong thing to do in a more structured, legal way at least)
mortgages arr regulated, this should be as well.