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Posted by tobr 10/30/2025

Dating: A mysterious constellation of facts(dynomight.net)
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nunez 11/2/2025|
People always "hated" dating apps, even when I used them back in the early 2010s.

However, like the iOS keyboard, people will put up with some annoyances if the overall product is valuable, and swiping for a mate (or, back in simpler times, answering heaps of questions on OkCupid and doing lots of clicking) is easier than doing so through church/school/work/bar/other opportunities through consistent exposure. (To wit: I met many incompatible people through the usual methods and met my wife through OkCupid, so the dating apps aren't useless!)

Also, as a former speed-dating host, speed-dating has always been something people mostly did for the entertainment value. I never did the math on it, but if I had to guess, it probably had about the same odds of finding someone than the apps back then.

ed 11/1/2025||
I don’t think speed dating is as popular as submarine[1] articles suggest. But the constraint of being in-person and with a limited set of options may be helpful for some people. The paradox of choice is a significant issue on apps.

I do agree that bandwidth is significantly higher in person, we’ve evolved efficient pattern detection, and wish it were more acceptable to meet up for a quick coffee immediately after matching. But a few bad apples spoil the bunch.

There’s an alternate explanation - that the fittest companies prioritize engagement and revenue until reaching some threshold of user dissatisfaction. The healthiest businesses often have customers who wish they could leave, but can’t.

1 - https://paulgraham.com/submarine.html

johnfn 11/1/2025|
Tangential from your point, but I don’t think this is a submarine article. This is just a single blogger. “Submarine article” typically refers to articles written by large news corporations (NYTimes eg) and incentivized by PR firms - none of which applies here.

The reason I mention this is that “submarine article” is typically used to cast suspicion at the aims of the article. I can’t see any reason to do that to this article.

ed 11/1/2025||
I was suggesting OP may have been influenced by submarine articles since the popularity of speed dating is a potentially unfounded premise of their argument. (Personally, I know very few folks who’ve done speed dating but of course that’s anecdotal.)
strenholme 11/3/2025||
As someone who is on the dating scene after my wife died of cancer some thoughts:

1) There are a lot more men on the dating apps than women.

2) Using just pictures to judge men doesn’t really work for women. See https://archive.ph/20251006053755/https://medium.com/the-kno... for discussion.

My personal experience, based on what I’m going through and what friends have to say:

3) 17 years ago, it was possible to meet and know really attractive women on the apps.

4) These days, the really attractive women no longer use apps.

5) The apps are optimized for engagement, not giving people successful romance.

Right now, the woman I’m currently dating is someone I met at church, not on the apps. The men I know who have success with women prefer the women they meet outside of the apps.

As a shy geek without too many social connections, the apps (websites, actually) were a very positive game changer 17 years ago. These days, they are more a liability than asset when it comes to dating.

kelnos 11/3/2025||
To the point about the incentives of for-profit companies: dating apps are more profitable if they take longer to match you with someone you like. If everyone finds their ideal match within a week, they cancel their subscription and the company makes no more money off them.

If the company puts some barriers in the app that slows down the process, you remain their customer for longer. Of course, there's a tension: they can't drag it out too much, or you'll get frustrated and leave.

OkCupid used to write about this effect, back when they were independent and free. But once they were acquired by Match Group they deleted their old blog and stopped talking about things like that.

voidmain 11/3/2025|
Yes. OkCupid basically solved dating, at least for people like me. It took me 2 dates to find the love of my life, and then I left the site (and all dating sites) forever. I paid them $0. Match Group, whose sites are designed to keep you single or in repeated failed relationships forever, made lots more money, bought them out, and ruined the site so they would stop shrinking the market.

It's a lot like how tech companies, data and advertisers have ruined news, friendship, phone, email, politics, ...

aleph_minus_one 11/1/2025||
Concerning "dating apps suck": OkCupid was decent in its heyday. But even at that time, there were very few users of it near the city where I lived or even in the country where I lived. Thus, it simply was nevertheless not useful to me. But no other dating site uses a similar algorithm; perhaps most people care about other things in dating than what OkCupid is optimized to give them.
Bissness 11/1/2025|
That OkCupid was allowed to be sold to the Match Group was yet another massive antitrust failure

Founders selling out should also be viewed more critically than it currently is.

relaxing 11/2/2025||
Truly one of the more despicable examples of enshitification.

OkCupid was amazing for those who made full use of its “here’s who I am and here’s who I want” question matching system. Removing those features and turning it into another swiping app was a terrible anticompetitive move.

rolandog 11/1/2025||
I may be showing my age, but my wife and I both agree that we were very lucky to have met just before the dating apps became a thing.
trashface 11/2/2025||
I don't think speed dating is going to replace apps. I did some dating pre-app, it wasn't big then. Its unnatural, and doesn't appeal to many personalities.

I'm one of the men apps don't work for, easy to see why we hate them. For women, I think they say they don't like apps, but they do like the fact they get an endless stream of potentially date-able men from them. So their revealed preference is they like the apps, and that is why the apps continue to be relevant.

andy_ppp 11/2/2025||
Alain de Botton claims (probably with only anecdotal evidence) that we tend to find love in people who remind us of the template our parents gave us… so this is an explanation why certain individuals end up attracted to loving terrible people. How would you hope to possibly convey this?

Also social proof is such a big deal for women, I think being in public your date can pick up on all sorts of qualities like self worth and confidence that are extremely difficult to convey on dating apps…

throwaway2037 11/2/2025|

    > I think being in public your date can pick up on all sorts of qualities like self worth and confidence that are extremely difficult to convey on dating apps…
In my personal experience, when I meet people from dating apps, there is a huge disconnect between "online charm" and "in-person charm". So much so, that I now try to arrange an in-person meeting ASAP when I connect with someone. You really know very quickly if the other person is showing enthusiasm and effort, and if you have a connection.
ta12653421 11/2/2025||
this: > ASAP when I connect with someone <

Just one point to add: Have a 5min call before to hear the voice. Weeks ago I had an "experience" with someone, her texts were absolutely OK but with small typos, some which are typical if you are learning the language but all in all it was possible to have a conversation.

Then we met.

She could barely form a useful sentence in real life conversation in our langugage, and she didnt speak English :-/

knotimpressed 11/1/2025||
Not related directly to the article, but I’m so glad there’s a “tell me mistakes I made to fix” box. I wish more sites, hell even news sites had that.
vintermann 11/3/2025|
Well, it could be related to the article, but I don't know how successful a "tell me mistakes I made to fix" box would be on dating sites.
keskival 11/2/2025|
OkCupid used to work on the basis of high bandwidth of information and excellent matches.

This wasn't profitable enough though so they changed to the Tinder-style swiping which doesn't work. More engagement interactions means more opportunity to show ads. If you find people good matches they will just leave the app.

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