Posted by layer8 2 days ago
Give it another 10 years the way things are going, and I'm sure it will be back.
I'm giving it 10 months or less. The rate at which things are worsening (in most aspects, not just this) seems to be rapidly climbing from my point of view.
It's so they can sell you out to corporate interests more effectively. It's a modern day fiefdom.
a) wanting to soon expand this scheme to catch criminal gang communication (violent narco-related crime is exploding in e.g. some northern EU countries) [center-right goal]
b) wanting to make people more nervous about what they post online (immigration vs crime etc is a hot topic that many want to cool down). [center-left goal]
I suppose that there might also be some naive idealists that primarily care about the stated goal.
Those other things are a means to this end. They would be extremely happy for there to be more crime and more unrest about immigration if it meant they could seize powers like these.
What country is this? Sounds really bad.
Danes trust their state - for good reason. But this is obviously taking it too far.
Its not that Peter Hummelgaard is trying to create a spy state. He just doesn’t understand tech.
Simple as that.
>>Nordic Waste is owned by the family of Torben Østergaard-Nielsen, reported to be the sixth richest person in Denmark. Last week, the Danish Ministry of the Environment issued an injunction against Nordic waste, and yesterday (22 January 2024) the company was declared bankrupt. The company has declared that this ends Nordic Waste’s liabilities.
https://eos.org/thelandslideblog/nordic-waste-1
Blind trust always gets betrayed, and all the Scandinavian countries have closed their eyes for too long; I want Olof Palme back.
>Its not that Peter Hummelgaard is trying to create a spy state. He just doesn’t understand tech.
Oh nooo that poor little guy, cant even think 5 minutes into the future, he's 42 not 80.
So it's not blind trust. I understand why Americans are so mistrusting of their government, it's because they are untrustworthy. The mistake is thinking everywhere in the world is like that.
Learning about what policies work by looking at other countries is of course a foreign concept to American exceptionalists
In the US they basically elect a king who gets all the power for 4 years- including appointing the goddamn Supreme Court!
The public debate in Denmark clearly shows that it’s difficult for non technical people to understand the limits of tech. Regardless of age.
I was talking about Scandinavian Country's, most of those Country's are called "high trust societies" often with too much trust in their government.
>debate in Denmark clearly shows that it’s difficult for non technical people to understand the limits of tech
Install a system that reads your private messages is absolutely not a technical thing.
When discussing politics in foreign countries, consider how much context you are missing. Those of us that live in the country and speak the language have consumed its news for years.
HN discussions about politics in foreign countries are bizarre
That's what every politician would say about restricting privacy, it's for the kids, it's in the right hands, we would never betray your trust.
>HN discussions about politics in foreign countries are bizarre
No really bizarre is your believe that 42yo -->justice<-- minister Hummelgaard is just a naive child who knows nothing about "Internet stuff"
In his own words: "We must break with the totally erroneous perception that it is everyone's civil liberty to communicate on encrypted messaging services"
He absolutely knows what he's talking about.
[1] https://www.amazon.com/Secret-War-Against-Sweden-Submarine/d...
[2] https://www.amazon.de/-/en/Provoked-Washington-Started-Catas...
It’s also convenient that Denmark is essentially the US’ eyes and ears in Europe, who even spied on other nations for them.
So if mass surveilance is implemented it would be missused for personal benefit of whoever has the money and the possibility