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Posted by leglock 1 day ago

Warp Terminal changes pricing model(www.warp.dev)
38 points | 84 comments
djfdat 15 hours ago|
I think everybody here that is bashing Warp specifically as a terminal application probably spends a lot more time in the terminal than GUI apps.

For someone who don't, killer features:

- GUI settings - Regular text navigation - Just enough free AI for ffmpegging - Pretty nice theming, gruvbox + 70% opacity is chef's kiss - Command blocks are a nice - Restore sessions are nice - Input area error underlines, syntax highlighting, command suggestions

For someone who was never a big terminal user and now tries to use it occaisonally but still spends 95%+ time in GUI apps, this makes configuring, getting in, getting work done, and getting out super easy. When working on web projects, I'll usually run my apps in vscode for easier error logging & fixing workflows, and use warp for accessory things like installing packages.

awb 1 day ago||
Their old Pro plan at $15/mo (paid annually) had 2,500/mo AI requests per month, use it or lose it.

The new Build plan at $20/mo has 1,500 AI requests, but they roll over. (Edit: apparently they don’t)

> No bones about it: this plan will be more expensive for some users and less expensive for others.

> We get that there’s a lot of whiplash in the AI devtools pricing market, and sympathize. While we expect some churn from this change, we are trying to do it in as minimally disruptive a way as possible.

I’ve found Warp to be very useful, but you’re really paying for AI compute, not the terminal. And the AI compute space is getting very competitive.

leglock 1 day ago|
From what I understand, in the new plan the 1,500 AI requests don't roll over. Only the add-on credits you buy on top of that will roll over and expire after 12 months.
awb 1 day ago||
> On the Build plan, you pay for what you use and credits roll over month to month.

Here’s where I got it from, but I see how it’s ambiguous. “You pay for what you use” sounds a bit like the BYOK (bring your own key) “add-on credits” pricing model you’re referring to.

But in the pricing table, they refer to monthly “AI credits”.

bananapub 1 day ago||
it's not ambiguous:

> For the Build plan, credits will not rollover but Reload credits will rollover and be valid for 12 months from the date of purchase.

gray_-_wolf 1 day ago||
Pricing model for a terminal. What a time to be alive.

> Can I continue to use Warp as my primary terminal?

> Yes, the Terminal features of Warp will continue to be free to use for developers across Windows, Mac, and Linux.

Well this is something at least I guess.

dvt 1 day ago||
> Pricing model for a terminal. What a time to be alive.

As soon as they raised like 50M+ (why you'd ever need 50 million dollars to build a terminal—which have been essentially "solved" since the 1970s—is a pretty good question), this was bound to happen. Same nonsense will happen to Zed, etc.

mmh0000 1 day ago|||
To be fair, for those of us who live in a terminal, the terminal is/was not solved.

Old terminals are slow and have a bunch of weird Unicode issues.

Now, Warp is a terrible product, and I have nothing nice to say about them.

But look at modern terminals like Kitty or Ghostty. There are so many very nice improvements. Like mouse support that works well (as opposed to "kind of works, but who needs a mouse?!, won't fix"), fast keyboard response (you'd think it wouldn't be noticeable, but it's very noticeable), copy-and-paste that makes sense and isn't different from everything else on the system, etc.

https://sw.kovidgoyal.net/kitty/

https://ghostty.org/

gray_-_wolf 9 hours ago|||
> Old terminals are slow and have a bunch of weird Unicode issues.

rxvt-unicode is plenty fast and handles unicode well, at least as far as I can tell...

wonger_ 1 day ago|||
And if you want to overhaul everything obsolete about the terminal and the shell, there's still more room for improvement: https://arcan-fe.com/2022/04/02/the-day-of-a-new-command-lin...
awill 1 day ago|||
Oh no. Did I miss something? Did Zed get a bunch of unnecessary funding that will force them to do some subscription we'll all hate?
zedsdeadbaby 1 day ago|||
https://zed.dev/blog/sequoia-backs-zed
whstl 1 day ago|||
Well, they already have subscriptions for the agent usage, so the hope is that the editor will keep being free.
rapind 1 day ago|||
Who cares when Ghostty exists though...
speedgoose 1 day ago|||
I’m on ghostty but warp is a lot more than a terminal. I used to consider their product to be a shitty AI powered terminal until I saw a demo of it. Now I consider it as a fair AI agent application that has a good CLI integration and some notebook features.
Aurornis 1 day ago||||
Ghostty is an interesting project, but it’s not usable yet for those of us who use scrollback history search until they ship that feature https://github.com/ghostty-org/ghostty/issues/189

The growing popularity of ghostty has made me realize a lot of people don’t use scroll back history search. I use it frequently to save time and avoid having to rerun time intensive tasks to pipe them through grep or tee everything to a file.

jorl17 1 day ago|||
This exactly! Can't move from iterm2 until this feature, which is absolutely essential to me, is implemented.

Love the work they're doing though!!

s_trumpet 12 hours ago||||
The other thing keeping me on iTerm is Ghostty lacking tab support in quake mode
tristan957 11 hours ago||
I'm pretty certain that exists, at least on macOS, but I don't use that feature. I just follow development.

Source: ghosty maintainer

xbar 1 day ago|||
Are there any workarounds?
antew 1 day ago|||
In my ghostty config I use:

  scrollback-limit = 512000000
  keybind = super+f=write_scrollback_file:open
It writes it to a temporary file and then opens the file in the default text editor when I hit Cmd+F.
jasonjmcghee 1 day ago|||
tmux

But there's a whole thread on other workarounds etc. Apparently it's on the roadmap.

https://github.com/ghostty-org/ghostty/issues/189

matwood 1 day ago||||
I like Ghostty, but it's still missing a few features I need. Warp was interesting, but it was honestly overwhelming when I was simply reaching for a terminal. For now, I'm back on Terminal.app until Ghostty catches up feature wise.
john_alan 1 day ago|||
your spelled iTerm2 wrong :)
Brajeshwar 1 day ago|||
I was on iTerm2 for a pretty loong time. You should try out Ghostty.
speedgoose 1 day ago||||
iTerm2 is not in the same league when it comes to speed.
WesolyKubeczek 1 day ago||||
You meant "iTerm2 with no scrollbars and no scrollback history search" was spelled wrong.

(yes I know they are working on it; but I also know iTerm2 and Konsole have had them since about forever, and I use that feature a lot, so it's kinda major impediment)

Spivak 1 day ago||||
How are all of you spelling WezTerm wrong.
slenk 1 day ago||
Just started using this - it's pretty nice. Very customizable but it makes my oh-my-zsh setup look like crap with it's fonts.

I started using it since it's cross platform and I use chezmoi, but the config quickly gets complicated if you want things like folders in your tab titles, etc

fukka42 1 day ago|||
How do I run this on Windows and Linux?
latexr 1 day ago||
Ghostty aims to be cross-platform (I think Windows support isn’t there yet but is planned), but iTerm2 is macOS-only.
awb 1 day ago|||
> Pricing model for a terminal. What a time to be alive.

You’re really paying for AI compute, not the terminal.

bigbuppo 1 day ago||
Subscriptions: AI makes it necessary.
jzb 1 day ago|||
"What a time to be alive"

s/a/an awful/

Some days I feel like everything peaked around mid-2000.

fred_ 1 day ago|||
I agree.

Whan awfult a time to be alive

lioeters 12 hours ago|||

  $ echo "What a time to be alive" | sed s/a/an awful/
  sed: -e expression #1, char 6: unterminated `s' command
Whan awfult a time, indeed. :( Shoulda ran fred instead of sed.
askl 1 day ago|||
at least they didn't add /g
ciupicri 1 day ago||||
To be honest there were a lot of "small" paid utility programs around mid-2000.
bakql 1 day ago|||
It's not "a terminal", it's a terminal with AI features that cost money to run. I understand you may not be interested in them, but let's not pretend that burning GPU power comes for free.
fukka42 1 day ago||
My machine has a perfectly fine CPU. A text box to enter OpenAI credentials would also be an easy fix.
Spivak 1 day ago||
At least from their docs it seems like you can do exactly this.
pier25 1 day ago|||
> Well this is something at least I guess.

Until they change their TOS and use all your terminal input to train their models.

I'm being sarcastic but how things are going something like this wouldn't surprise me at all.

bdcravens 1 day ago|||
If you pay for Claude Code, couldn't you then say you're paying for Visual Studio Code? Or if you use CC in the CLI, you're also paying for that terminal? Warp is just packaging AI with their terminal product.
awb 1 day ago||
The difference is the point of sale. With VS Code, you purchase your AI compute elsewhere (Anthropic, OpenAI, etc.), and then use it through the free VS Code interface.

With Warp, you purchase your AI compute through Warp (who then pays Anthropic, Open AI, etc. based on the model you choose).

bigbuppo 1 day ago|||
All up until the point that you get a "Dear Valued Customer" letter.
jbv027 1 day ago|||
Also terminal sending telemetry. So many no goes.
dmart 1 day ago||
I’m not a huge fan of Warp, but I would love for any other terminal to copy its text editor-style input field.

It’s so much nicer for 90% of my terminal usage (long multi-line commands, etc.) And when you do need TUI behavior that 10% of the time, just toggle it off.

johntash 19 hours ago||
Most shells can help with this. vim mode helps, zsh also has 'edit-command-line' that can open the command in an editor but idk if it has a keybind by default.
tristan957 11 hours ago||
That ZSH feature is builtin to readline, so you can use it in a ton of shells.
pseudalopex 1 day ago|||
The fish shell has multi line editing, completion explanations, and completion and history selection. Terminal integration could make these features even better. But Warp's account wall disqualified it for me.
dmart 5 hours ago||
Thanks for the recommendation! I'd heard of fish but didn't realize that was a feature. It seems quite nice.
pier25 1 day ago|||
I loved that from Warp too. Went back to iTerm because Warp was regularly consuming more than 1GB of RAM. I also don't want anything related to AI reading my terminal commands.
alwillis 1 day ago||
iTerm2 users who want AI integrated in their terminal, including free/open weight models can do that [1].

[1]: https://iterm2.com/documentation-ai-chat.html

bitwize 1 day ago|||
M-x shell :)
seanhunter 19 hours ago||
Why not just type “fc” and edit your multiline command in a real editor? (Like you’ve been able to do since at least the 1980s).

I know I’m going to come across as a bitter old geezer, but with a lot of things like this the “features” seem to be pale imitations of things which already exist and the real root problem is people just don’t invest the time to learn the tools they already have.

greazy 4 hours ago||
Wow TIL about fc. Thanks for mentioning.
acedTrex 1 day ago||
While I can not FATHOM using something like warp ever. I liked the writing, straight to the point, offered a conciliatory feature (BYOK).
xbar 1 day ago|
I wish them success. I would like more of my vendors to operate their pricing this clearly.
gkbrk 1 day ago||
People really log in to their terminal emulator? And it's closed source and connected to the internet?

My terminal emulator handles all sorts of confidential data, credentials, API keys etc. I can't even imagine the damage that can be caused by a rogue terminal emulator.

alyxya 23 hours ago||
I tried warp last year and I wanted to like it but it just felt slower and more bloated. I don’t know if it’s improved since then, but I have a hard time seeing how the terminal is worth using. I’m ignoring price here and focused on value add. My main issue is that I don’t see more features as being more value, rather there are a lot of distractions and the learning curve to learn the various features doesn’t seem worth it. I also dislike vscode forks like cursor due to complexity, so maybe it’s meant more for certain kinds of users.
stupeo 1 day ago||
Fair play to them for the way they communicated this. I like their style.

However, I've been a Pro user for several months (use < 1000 credits a month) - but I've noticed a real reduction in quality over the past month or so. I'm now getting random failures, stopping of agents etc.

wkat4242 10 hours ago|
The same with copilot for office. It was much better before but it seems like they're really turning the screws on the compute. Especially the research agent is pretty useless now and it was really powerful.

I guess these companies are running into issues not being able to expand capacity fast enough. Even a hyperscaler like Microsoft can't power a whole hype cycle. Or they're just squeezing to get more bottom line.

bdcravens 1 day ago||
Like all products in the AI space today, it's a question of whether what it costs creates that much value each month. While it's not a force-multiplier in the same sense as Claude Code or Codex, I still think Warp is, even at $20, but that's probably pushing it (I've had months where I was able to speed run an unfamiliar workflow with Warp, and other months where I didn't use it for anything that iTerm couldn't handle)
bigyabai 1 day ago|
For $20/month, I can buy a Claude Code subscription and have it drive my terminal on autopilot. Tool calling in traditional LLMs might just obsolete Warp's business model.
ahuth 1 day ago|
Unlike many comments here, I love Warp.

Don’t use or pay for any AI features. But it’s really nice having a terminal with multi-cursor and keyboard shortcuts like an editor.

Larrikin 1 day ago|
Yea all the AI features seem like a huge distraction to Warp. I hope they don't kill the terminal.

Is there a terminal that offers this same experience,? All the comments here seem to be people crapping on it without trying it. it's really great for someone who develops but spends maybe only 5 percent of their time in the terminal for minor tasks

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