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Posted by tymscar 11/1/2025

From 400 Mbps to 1.7 Gbps: A WiFi 7 Debugging Journey(blog.tymscar.com)
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hhh 11/1/2025|
6Ghz for me causes random latency increases every 10 seconds or so, just had to stop using it because it drives me crazy
martinald 11/2/2025|
Mac? https://www.theregister.com/2025/10/23/apple_airdrop_awdl_la...

It's been a problem for _years_. Basically the wifi card switches to another channel to see if anyone wants to do airdrop every so often. It's a bit of a joke to be honest that Apple still haven't fixed this.

hhh 11/3/2025||
Windows, but a lot of Macs in the home.
fulafel 11/2/2025||
The wifi bottleneck is such a tragedy. We'd otherwise have 10G home broadband probably.
kalleboo 11/2/2025||
I get 1.6 Gbps line-of-sight no trouble with my U7 Pro, but I haven't managed to get MLO working. My only device with MLO support is the iPhone 16 Pro Max, and it refuses to connect to an SSID with MLO turned on...
mannyv 11/2/2025||
There are times when low power is better, because it allows the router to ignore far away clients.

In simple terms, far away = more work to communicate = more airtime = less throughput.

It probably only matters with multiple devices.

loloquwowndueo 11/1/2025||
Why do people need 2.5Gbps internet access or 1.7 Gbps on a home wifi network? What are folks doing at home?!?
ssl-3 11/2/2025||
It's nice to be able to do networked stuff with the network.

32GB isn't very big these days. In terms of cost, a decent cheeseburger costs more than a 32GB flash card does.

A few months ago I needed a friend to send me a 32GB file. This took over 8 hours to accomplish with his 10Mbps upstream. 8 hours! I felt like it was 1996 again and I was downloading Slackware disksets with a dialup modem.

We needed to set up a resumable way to get his computer to send that file to my computer, and be semi-formal about it because 8 hours presents a lot of time for stuff to break.

But if we had gigabit speeds, instead? We could have moved that file in less than 5 minutes. That'd have been no big deal, with no need to be formal at all: If a 5-minute file transfer dies for some reason, then it's simple enough to just start it over again.

threeducks 11/1/2025|||
A few things come to mind:

- Games (400GB for Ark, 235GB for Call of Duty, 190GB for God of War)

- LLMs (e.g. DeepSeek-V3.2-Exp at 690GB or Kimi-K2 at 1030GB unquantized)

- Blockchains (Bitcoin blockchain approaching 700GB)

- Deep learning datasets (1.1PB for Anna's Archive, 240TB for LAION-5B at low resolution)

- Backups

- Online video processing/storage

- Piracy (Torrenting)

Of course you can download those things on a slower connection, but I imagine that it would be a lot nicer if it went faster.

Namidairo 11/1/2025|||
> 400GB for Ark

Ark is a strange case. It compresses very very well. Most of it ends up with compression ratios of around 80%.

> Total size on disk is 628.32 GiB and total download size is 171.42 GiB.

From SteamDB's summary of Ark's content depots.

hectormalot 11/1/2025||||
I have 1Gbit at home, but almost never reach those speeds when downloading games. It’s one of those cases where it makes sense (I want to play now!), but I’m under the impression the limit is upstream (at steam most likely), rather than on my connection. (I do get those speeds on speed tests, doesn’t seem to be my setup).
Havoc 11/2/2025|||
Steam is tricky cause it has multiple potential bottlenecks. The steam cache, internet connection, decompression (i.e. cpu) and storage. Often hard to tell which limit you're hitting
Nextgrid 11/1/2025||||
ISPs happily collaborate with and put speed test servers in privileged locations on their network so you will get higher speeds there even if the actual peering to the outside world is much slower.
hectormalot 11/1/2025||
As I was typing this it came to mind. Will test against one of my own servers one of these days to confirm.
Nextgrid 11/1/2025||
You can try Fast.com (Netflix) or Cloudflare’s one which are explicitly designed to work around this by serving the test data from the same endpoints the serve actual customer data, so ISPs can’t cheat.

This still doesn’t guarantee however that you will achieve this speed to any random host on the internet - their pipe to Cloudflare/Netflix may very well be fat and optimized but it doesn’t guarantee their pipe to a random small hosting provider doesn’t go over a 56k modem somewhere (I jest.. but only a bit).

hdgvhicv 11/2/2025||
Given that whether you get 30mbit or 30gbit from Netflix won’t make a blind bit of difference it’s not that useful a test. It doesn’t do upload either as Netflix is all about consumption.

Test to where you want to exchange high speed traffic.

daveoc64 11/2/2025||
Fast.com does an upload speed test, but it's hidden behind the "Show more info" button.
fossilwater 11/4/2025||||
I get about 2Gbps max on Steam and Xbox on an 8Gbit connection. The limit could also be due to your disk drive while Steam is installing the downloaded files.
toast0 11/2/2025||||
You might check what region Steam is downloading from (it's in settings -> Download or something similar). If it's selected poorly, you might do better by picking one yourself.
Hikikomori 11/2/2025||||
I get full speed on steam downloads, even set the limit lower so youtube doesn't buffer.
zamadatix 11/2/2025|||
I have 5 gigabit and usually get ~1.2 gbps, sometimes get up to ~2 gbps from Steam.
mmooss 11/3/2025|||
Is the connection the bottleneck for 700GB?
amiga-workbench 11/1/2025|||
To not bottleneck the mechanical hard drives in their NAS, or to download games at a reasonable speed.

Or even just work stuff, I've had to shift around several TB of 3D assets for my job while working from home.

tills13 11/2/2025|||
My anecdata is that I can download a steam or Xbox game (100+GB) in a few minutes. Plus it's just fun. High number = better and all that.
Knork-and-Fife 11/2/2025|||
This is like asking why would anyone need more than a standard 110v North American electrical outlet in their home? Why would you ever install a higher capacity 220v socket somewhere?

Because it's a utility and there's a wide world of use cases out there.

For electrical maybe someone wants to charge an electric car fully overnight, or use a welder in their garage. Or use some big appliance in their kitchen.

For Internet maybe they make videos, games or other types of data-heavy content and need to be able to upload and download it.

tymscar 11/2/2025|||
All the replies you get here are totally valid, but Ill throw in another one.

Why not? Life’s too short anyways, and playing around with tech is one of those things that bring me joy.

ksec 11/2/2025|||
It is 2.5Gbps internet shared with everyone in the household. Once you start dividing by 4 or 5 people that number doesn't seems that impressive.

It wasn't that long ago "internet" at home is literally just one person using it.

tonetegeatinst 11/1/2025|||
Homelab or they are into big data set usage.

Or they seed large datasets for other researchers.

vardump 11/1/2025|||
To transfer files? Like large virtual machines, huge video files. Backup their files quickly. To support a homelab to learn new skills. To stream uncompressed video. To download 300 GB monster games.

Some people can manage with slow network speeds at home, even though 100 Gbps single mode fiber is perfectly doable nowadays. And it's reasonable, because new SSDs do almost 120 Gbps.

1 Gbps made sense 20 years ago when single hard disks had similar performance. For some weird reason LAN speeds did not improve at the same rate as the disks did.

But then again, I guess many could also still manage with 100 Mbps connectivity at home. Still enough for 4k video, web browsing and most other "ordinary" use cases.

Nextgrid 11/1/2025|||
100Gbps over the LAN is unlikely to do you much good because not only is it expensive to get that kind of bandwidth end-to-end over the internet but most OS’ network stacks and protocols (HTTPS/etc) are not efficient enough to take advantage of it (you will be bottlenecked by the CPU). So there is very little consumer and even business (outside of datacenters) demand for it because even just sticking a 100Gbps NIC and pipe in a consumer machine is unlikely to give you any more than 10Gbps anyway.
noir_lord 11/1/2025|||
> For some weird reason LAN speeds did not improve at the same rate as the disks did.

When it comes to wired, sending data 15cm is a very different problem than sending it 100M reliably - that and consumer demand for >1Gbps wasn't there which made the consumer equipment expensive because no mass market to drive it down, M.2 entirely removes the cable.

I figured 10Gbps would be the standard by now (and was way off) and yet its not even the default on high end motherboards - 2.5Gbps is becoming a lot more common though.

walletdrainer 11/2/2025|||
> I figured 10Gbps would be the standard by now (and was way off) and yet its not even the default on high end motherboards - 2.5Gbps is becoming a lot more common though.

All the new MacBook Pros come with 64Gbps wired networking.

With an adapter you can also connect 100GbE, but that’s not very special.

Avamander 11/1/2025|||
Most software and CDNs also don't utilise fast connections properly. It's kind-of a chicken and egg situation where hardware doesn't improve because customers don't demand it because software and services can't handle it (and you can start from the beginning).

It is very slowly improving, but by far the fastest widely used services I've seen are a few gacha games and Steam both downloading their updates. Which is rather sad.

Windows Update is slow, macOS update is abysmally slow, both iOS and Android stores also bottleneck somewhere. Most cloud storage services are just as bad. Most of these can't even utilise half a gigabit efficiently.

fossilwater 11/4/2025|||
My ISP just offers 8Gbit to almost everyone, so why not. I don't really need it but it feels nice to know I won't get throttling while someone else is streaming or downloading something
NoiseBert69 11/2/2025|||
Shuffle around RAW files if you are doing photography. These are 50-150MB files. A lot of them.
yatopifo 11/1/2025||
I can't comment on the internet, but high-bandwidth wifi helps with VR streaming quality.
qwertyuiop_ 11/1/2025||
Running $60 Mikrotik HEX S 2025 and getting 1.2 Gbps on a “1G” connection !
Nextgrid 11/1/2025|
If that router has a 1Gbit port it’s physically impossible and likely a measurement artifact.

Actual speed on a 1Gbit port is something like 940Mbps according to experience (I believe the theoretical max there is 970).

jonathanlydall 11/1/2025|||
Not sure what GP’s situation is, but I have a 100Mb/s fibre internet package but all hooked up to 1Gbps capable equipment on my side.

My typical speed test results are around 104Mb/s. Before being upgraded, on the 50Mb/s package I was getting 52Mb/s.

My suspicion is that fibre network operator (OpenServe in South Africa) applies rate limits which are technically a little above what their customers are paying for, perhaps to avoid complaints from people who don’t understand overheads.

somehnguy 11/2/2025|||
104mb/s is well under the theoretical max of 1gig networking, so you're truly just being limited by your ISP based on the plan you pay for.

The poster above is claiming to see a physically impossible speed on 1gig networking.

hdgvhicv 11/2/2025||
The ISP sells a 100mbit package and delivers more than that, as the line speed will be higher and it’s just policed in some fashion
ssl-3 11/2/2025|||
That's pretty typical. It's similar in the States: Spectrum, for example, generally overprovisions their connections a bit just because customer support is expensive to provide, and when things [ideally] work even better than advertised, support costs go down.

And on that ISP side of things, it's a software-defined limit; it's just a field in a database or a config file that can be tuned to be whatever they want it to be.

But the fellow up there says that they got 1.2Gbps through a Mikrotik Hex S: https://mikrotik.com/product/hex_s

And that's just not possible*. The E60iUGS Mikrotik Hex S's own hardware Ethernet interfaces are 1000BASE-T, and it's simply not possible to squeeze more than 1.0Gbps through a 1000BASE-T interface. (It does also have an SFP port that it has one of is branded as "1.25Gbps," but reality is that it, too, is limited to no more than 1.0Gbps of data transfer.)

*: Except... the 2025 version of the Hex S, E60iUGS, does have a 2.5Gbps SFP port that could be used as an ISP connection, and a much-improved internal fabric compared to the previous version. But the rest of its ports are just 1Gbps, which suggests a hard 1Gbps limit for any single connected LAN device.

Except... Mikrotik's RouterOS allows hardware to be configured in many, many ways -- including using LACP to aggregate ports together. With the 2025 Hex S, an amalgamation could be created that would allow a single client computer to get >1Gbps from an ISP. It might even be possible to be similarly-clever with the previous version of the Hex S. But neither version will be able to do end-to-end >1Gbps without very deliberate and rather unusual effort.

fulafel 11/2/2025|||
Wired Ethernet is typically full duplex.
mstaoru 11/2/2025|
I brought my WiFi 7-capable ASUS RT-BE96U to Germany (from China) and I proudly notice that my average download speed is up to ~105 Mbit from ~95 Mbit with the stock Vodafone router.

"Silicon Valley of Europe", my a*s.