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Posted by birriel 2 days ago

Pomelli(blog.google)
https://labs.google.com/pomelli/about/
286 points | 156 commentspage 3
tuananh 2 days ago|
this will kill a bunch of startups.
Workaccount2 2 days ago||
The AI start-up field is going to be eviscerated. I too have the irresistible urge to bolt a SOTA LLM back end on a custom harness and charge $20/mo, but the total lack of a moat and ease of replication kills any motivation.

You have to either have some big cajones or be totally lost to think it's a good idea to create a startup that is just a simple cheap veil on someone else's extremely advanced and expensive product

doctorpangloss 2 days ago|||
No matter how it pans out.

If no one uses it, that means the market has proven, no audience for this kind of product. Google loses, everyone else loses.

If everyone who wants this sort of thing uses it, that's it, Google won, everyone else loses.

The outcome to sell to investors is the least believable: people will pay for some offering when a nearly identical one is available directly from Google for free. And anyway, they have the best generative creative tech, so how could anything be better than Google's?

dennisy 2 days ago|||
Yeah, I was thinking the same. Quite a few YC companies are going after this.

What sort of market dynamics do people predict here, winner takes all? Especially when this is integrated into the platforms of distribution.

xyzal 2 days ago||
Bill Hicks would not mind

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JdjQICcD-XA

nextworddev 2 days ago||
Just how many Gen ai products are they half assedly launching (in case of Google).
nektro 1 day ago||
rip, and here i was hoping this was a fuzzer
LPisGood 2 days ago||
For an ad tech company, this is both on brand and pretty cool. I’m an AI skeptic and I support this.
DeathArrow 2 days ago||
The company that is responsible for filling the Internet with junk is just going to help fill the Internet with even junk crap. Who would have thought about that?
DeathArrow 2 days ago||
I'd rather spend $50 on Fiverr and get human generated content.
jmkni 2 days ago||
Tried to run it a couple of times against our website and it failed every time ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
commenter8 2 days ago||
Does anyone think the world is better with this in it?
metacritic12 2 days ago||
Honestly, I'm fine with Google doing it. If not them, then some regulatory arbitrage startup will do it with way more de-facto scam and fraud. Google is not some morale arbiter for the long arc of technology -- look at how they gatekept their LLM technology and got wrecked by the people who actually commericalized it: OpenAI.
jrflowers 2 days ago|||
I think when it comes to gatekeeping you are mixing up the organization that invented the basis for language models and gave it away for free with the one that does not release model weights because they’re too spooky
LPisGood 2 days ago|||
They didn’t gatekeep LLM technology; they published their results in the open.
dietr1ch 2 days ago||
> Pomelli by Google Labs is currently not available in your region.

xd

Razengan 2 days ago||
Fucking region gating in this day and age.

Sometimes even with a US account some things flop when you try to use them while traveling. You'd think the richass CEOs travel a lot so they would notice this problem but then you realize they never use their own products and have meat intelligence do all their shit for them anyway.

aatd86 2 days ago||
xD you're delivery made me laugh. But I think it is a combination of getting the product out of the gates as fast as possible, test on the main market, and also deal with foreign currencies, legislation and pricing later.
logoji 2 days ago||
Same, do you think this will work with vpn?
unangst 2 days ago|
“Pomelli is desktop only for now. Please switch to a computer to continue.” It would be nice if there was at least a screenshot for mobile users so they could determine if this was actually worth a second visit.
skoskie 2 days ago|
There’s a video right on the landing page that shows it in use. Played fine on mobile for me.

But to answer the question, it looks a lot like a Canva competitor.

echelon 2 days ago||
AI is going to kill Canva, Figma, and Adobe. Without a doubt.

Nano Banana alone obsoleted all of Photoshop. (And the Chinese versions of Nano Banana are even better!)

I'm most worried for my friends in creative though. I have some extremely talented friends at WPP and other agencies. Everyone is shaking in their boots.

Nobody's buying ads because of the economy, then these tools are nipping at their heels. They've already had one massive round of layoffs, and there's another one supposedly happening early next year.

Where are these millions of people going to go? These are six figure income earners.

There are five million marketing professionals in the US. If half of them lose their jobs, then what? What's lined up for them after this?

If AI fails, the economy goes boom.

If AI succeeds, the economy goes ... bigger boom?

I used to think the tools would wind up creating more work, especially in narrative creative work. Outside of A24 and indie/foreign films, Hollywood is so trite. These models drop Pixar/Disney VFX into the hands of every YouTuber - and that could be really cool when used by the right people. Like the Corridor Crew folks.

Maybe gaming and media will see a boost, but advertising and marketing folks are really going to get hit hard.

wizzledonker 2 days ago|||
The reason most creative media is good is because you see the vision of a creative team or individual.

If the vision is diluted due to lack of control afforded by AI tools, then the tools won’t be used.

Many times in Hollywood have we seen directors spend unjustifiable amounts of money in the pursuit of creative control.

Hand camera tracking a dinosaur in Jurassic Park, developing a novel diffraction algorithm for THE ABYSS, hand-drawing 3-Dimensional computer animations for 2001, creating an entire scale model practically for a single fight scene in LOTR.

AI allows you to get anything. The best movies are a direct reflection of a particular vision. AI can’t provide this and I see no way to solve it.

A natural response is - well directors already outsource some creative control to VFX artists so why not to a machine instead.

Because an artist can control everything. Even if the artist is prompting a model, at the end of the day an artist can drill right down to the tooling itself (photoshop for example) and exactly achieve the vision.

I don’t see AI achieving this granularity while maintaining its utility. It’s a sliding scale of trading utility as a time saving device for control.

If you lean too far to the control side, well you might as well fire up photoshop. If you lean too much to the utility side, you sacrifice creative control.

When looked at under this lens the utility of AI generation is actually limited as it solves a non existent problem. One can think of it as an additional piece of tooling for use only as a generational tool where there is less need for control, such as for background characters.

The team at Red Barrels, for example, train a local model on their own artwork to automatically generate variant textures for map generation. Things such as this. No need to be doom and gloom about this stuff.

echelon 2 days ago||
> lack of control afforded by AI

You should look at ComfyUI.

Control is here, it's just not widely distributed or easy to use.

If you're patient, you can fully control the set, blocking, angles. You can position your characters, relight them, precisely control props, etc. You have unlimited control over everything. It's just a mess right now.

goshx 2 days ago|||
> and Adobe

Have you seen their announcements during Adobe Max? The AI features are mind blowing. Adobe is alive and well.

bigiain 2 days ago|||
> Adobe is alive and well.

I wonder.

They're doing well with their existing customer base of digital creatives and related industries/professions.

Who may all be the buggy whip makers of the late 2020's.

Way too many of the people/companies who traditionally paid highly skilled and creative Photoshop users are rapidly moving away from doing that in favour of cheap GenAI slop.

I'm sure there are people in graphic design, illustration, videography, photography, UI/UX, 3D art, augmented reality, social media, creativity and design, collaboration and productivity, and education who are super excited about what Adobe is doing. I'm also sure almost all of those people are very concerned about their career choice and future (or are ignoring the reality of what's going on around them).

Sure, the top graphic designers in the world will still earn great money being highly creative for key clients. But the vast majority of people in those fields are not the top in their field, and the vast majority of clients those people invoice are going to consider cheap AI slop "good enough" for their businesses and use cases.

I have a 30+ year career in web related roles, working more or less closely with graphic designers, artists, illustrators, photographers, and other website development related professions. All of the ones I've remained friends with over that time are either deeply concerned about their career future, or have already jumped ship and become nurses, carpenters, teachers, caregivers, and even priests and drug dealers...

creato 2 days ago||
> All of the ones I've remained friends with over that time are either deeply concerned about their career future, or have already jumped ship and become nurses, carpenters, teachers, caregivers, and even priests and drug dealers...

Aside from the last one, that kinda sounds like a win for society.

echelon 2 days ago|||
> The AI features are mind blowing.

It doesn't look like they developed any models. The 3d relighting and 3d manipulation are all 3rd party models given a UI.

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