Posted by NomDePlum 11/3/2025
The leaker releases a video of some of the abuse and is then accused of "blood libel" against the IDF by the Minister of Defense, Israel Katz. That phrase, "blood libel", is specifically intended to invoke the old medieval stories of Jewish people sacrificing and eating gentile children for their religious holidays. For leaking a video proving that the abuse is real.
I have the feeling Israel simply will go the way of Rhodesia within a few generations due to the actions of this war resulting in widespread de-legitimization on both sides of the political spectrum and especially generationally. No one in the US actually wants to spend tax money on a patch of land in the Middle East the size of New Jersey, especially if they don't behave.
Iron Dome is Israeli weapon system. Out of all weapons that Israel gets from USA the only things that Israel doesn't produce domestically are planes (Usa killed Israeli fighter jet project 40 years ago) and helicopters. All other weapon systems are domestically produced. Israel is eighth largest arms exporter in world
I think it is accurate to say that if the US wanted to cripple Israel they pretty much could do so on a whim, using nothing more than sanctions. That also applies to any other non-superpower country of course. What I mean to say, we could sanction them like Russia etc. and it would probably have a much larger impact if we really wanted them to do what we want.
Smart bombs - Israel produces their own (for example used to take out nasrallah. iirc "spice"). In Iran (and stupidly in Qatar) were used Israeli air launched ballistic missiles (there are a bunch of models. classified. nobody knows what they are exactly. some code names were leaked last year via classified USA report that was leaked). F35 that Israel using has Israeli electronics package.
Iron Dome was designed by Rafael and IAI (check wikipedia). I held mainboard in my hands like 15 years ago. Raytheon manufactures it, because this way Israel can make use of aid money (can be only spend in USA)
What is happening in these modern democracies that has led to this sick embrace of cruelty, pessimism ,and apathy?
It really feels like pessimism is the rot or maybe anti-optimism; how can things ever get better if the culture rejects the idea that better things are possible?
Better things are possible, very difficult, and extremely necessary. Fight for it.
It’s unclear what woman you refer to, but anyway I don’t think there is enough “support for punishing rapists” to cancel out the riots in support of the alleged rapists, or the government, military, and media campaign to demonize the whistleblower with incendiary lies like “blood libel.”
Also, the woman you invoked was likely dead by the time Hamas got her body, so she was not tortured as the Palestinian prisoner in the video was allegedly. Again I don’t really want to do moral calculus, but it does make a difference if you insist on comparing these crimes. https://www.nytimes.com/2023/10/30/world/middleeast/shani-lo...
Leaker leaked the videos in order to show seriousness of accusation because before that wasn't clear what exactly happened and many people thought that soldiers were simply rough with prisoners and military policy actions not justified.
Leak happened august last year. Katz statement happened this week.
The Final Solution[0](tm) of course.
And the irony would be incredibly risible if it weren't so tragic.
[0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Final_Solution
Edit: Added the missing link.
IME this is just not true. Sure, antisemitism is real, especially among certain strata of the society.
BUT in the main, my observation is that no one supports Hamas or their approach. Even people who are very critical of Israel in the West (but not beyond the line of fringe, rabid antisemitism) state that 7/10 attacks were horrific and Hamas is a terrible terrorist org.
I can't help but feel that the "whole world hates us" view is a hyperbola, at some level deliberate, to justify doing whatever Israel wants to civilian Palestinians.
What matters more, prosecuting rapists or protecting Israel's reputation? That's not really a question, I already have your answer.
We are talking of an army arbitrarily establishing no go zone in the middle of streets, not publishing them and then having snipers shoot down civilians crossing these imaginary lines including the ones coming to get back the corpses of their murdered family members. An army so blood thirsty they shot their own defenceless hostage who came in front of them with hands raised.
It’s pretty clear at that point that the IDF has absolutely no moral. This doesn’t in any way mean I support Hamas.
Just to be clear because this comment is ambiguous. Both of my statements come from internationally reputable sources including Israeli one. There is an interview with IDF snipers where they openly state what I wrote - video is available on sky news - and multiple accounts in Haaretz. The hostages killing by the IDF was a scandal inside Israel and completely true.
Both statements are beyond doubts. Could you be so kind as to point the disinformation I’m allegedly spreading?
Sure StopDisinfo910. You're spreading the following disinformation:(1) that the IDF establishes control lines arbitrarily; (2) that these lines are always unpublished and invisible; (3) that the IDF purposefully shoots innocent palestinian civilians; (4) that the IDF has a bloodlust that leads it to want to kill even their own hostages.
1. The IDF does not establish what you call "no go zones" arbitrarily. You wrote: "We are talking of an army arbitrarily establishing no go zone in the middle of streets" The lines the IDF establishes, for example the yellow-line, are not arbitrary but rather the result of extensive negotiation and both tactical and strategic considerations.
"and then having snipers shoot down civilians crossing these imaginary lines" First, the lines are not "imaginary" - they're very real, which is why people get shot when crossing them. Second, can you prove that snipers shot down innocent civilians specifically? You say they are civilians - are you able to distinguish them from palestinian militants, who fight without uniform? Do you have a video that shows the IDF sniper shooting an innocent civilian with a time, date, geolocation data? If so, what were the names of the people who were shot? Third, in all wars crossing frontlines is going to be fatal, civilian or militant. Try walking around Pokrovsk right now, or in the DMZ. You'd get the same result. There's nothing different about crossing an IDF line.
". An army so blood thirsty they shot their own defenceless hostage who came in front of them with hands raised." Do you really thing bloodthirst is what caused the IDF to kill their own hostages? How do you square that with the fact that they're willing to risk so much to save and recover hostages? A more likely explanation is that the IDF mistakenly thought the escaped hostages were palestinian militants. They were in a warzone, military age men, and the IDF thought the escaped hostages were trying to lure them into an ambush -- the same type of ambush that killed many other IDF soldiers in booby trapped buildings. Friendly fire is a fact of war, it doesn't prove bloodlust.
Gaza is the most filmed war in history. If the IDF were massacring civilians en masse, as Hamas did on October 7, there would be many clear videos of these massacres, with both the IDF soldiers and the innocent civilians in view. There's none.
"Both statements are beyond doubts. " I have reasonable doubts about them, and the onus is on you to prove your quixotic explanations about "arbitrary lines" and the like. as you can see, so they are not.
I'm talking less about "free speech" as a concept and more about how the majority still thinks its worthwhile to have and allow such things even if they hurt.
This is not something to take for granted, and I often find people oblivious to this privilege. There were lots of voices arguing along similar lines during the Snowden leaks ("should be punished/swept under the rug because it makes America look bad"), but I think this is truly a cornerstone of a free society, and the concerning thing here to me is not even how the Israeli lawyer or Army acted, but how Israeli public perception is seemingly changing on this.
Nothing changed, they have always been this way..
https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cy0kpd97qqko
This is all very inconvenient that people know the truth I guess ...
Am I in a bubble? Because for more than a year I'd be hard pressed to find anyone in my country that would still be pro-Israel as a whole. Some nuanced support, surely, but also widespread condemnation.
But nowadays it seems to be en vogue again to shoot the messenger.
A. Notable how in the US all the JAGs were dismissed almost immediately, https://www.military.com/daily-news/2025/02/24/people-are-ve...
B. And now CIA Deputy Director Michael Ellis has let go of Counsel there & appointed himself Acting General Counsel, https://www.nytimes.com/2025/10/06/us/politics/michael-ellis...
C. And top southern command admiral just retired after having bombing boats in the carribean. https://www.nytimes.com/2025/10/16/us/politics/southern-comm...
Sure seems like the US is trying to purge faster than any weak links can form.
'As head of the Irgun, he targeted the British in Palestine,[3] with a notable attack being the King David Hotel bombing. Later, the Irgun fought the Arabs during the 1947–48 civil war in Mandatory Palestine and, as its chief, Begin was described by the British government as the "leader of the notorious terrorist organisation".'
The targeting the British happened primarily during the holocaust when British were limiting Jewish migration (which has directly resulted in many many deaths).
The history is complex and it is very easy to find reasons to dismiss people who lived through very difficult times and had to make very difficult choices.
Targeting the British during the Mandate was an act of anti-colonization, not unlike other factions that wanted independence from the British at that time, and the Irgun did warn the British before hand but they did not evacuate the hotel which was the central offices of the British Mandate and the Headquarters of the British Army
For every war crime from Jewish side you can always point to a similar one from Arab side, this finger pointing is not useful for anything but spurring more hate and igniting the conflict over and over.
Should you decide to be consistent with your logic, then we quickly arrive at human race also being bad and we can end this circus.
"Hannah Arendt and Albert Einstein, in a letter to The New York Times in 1948, compared Irgun and its successor Herut party to "Nazi and Fascist parties" and described it as a "terrorist, right wing, chauvinist organization" "
Definitely. Not even talking about likes of Russia or China where said person would simply disappear.
From context, it means “to speak the truth and present irrefutable evidence to back it up”.
I guess that’s a crime?
The people calling it blood libel because the facts are inconvenient and make Israel look bad are being disingenuous.
But that someone did something horrendous against my people does not make it right for my people to kill them, at an extend far, far greater than what Hamas has caused Israelis to suffer under. You cannot in a sane mind propose that genocide is ever justified. If you do, then you must also believe that all the Germans should have been killed after what they did to the jews. Do you propose that?
You are explicitly advocating for ignoring law and order. You prefer lawless lynching without order. My ethic values do not allow this and I find it stupid and disturbing.
That is NOT a genocide, according to the human rights conventions. If having civilian victims at all is a war crime then every police officer in the world is a war criminal.
But what hamas did on Oct 7 2023, that satisfies without any doubt whatsoever every last requirement for genocide. They emptied 2 machine guns in a kindergarten classroom because the children "were Jews". There were no survivors. Oh and as it always goes in racist attacks: 2 of the dead children (the black ones) were not Jews.
Your position is to some extent defending war criminals. It is relevant to mention what these Palestinian "victims" did.
However, it does not help Isreal's case that they also employed human shields, thus putting themselves on the same level as Hamas.
They added they would refuse any deal that didn't let them keep their weapons, instead they would keep up attacks, despite agreeing to a ceasefire stating otherwise.
One might add that of the 11 points in the ceasefire agreement hamas signed, this one demand violates 5. Just this one action.
https://www.israelhayom.com/2025/11/03/hamas-terrorists-dema...
It's sad and pathetic how this very public hamas demand is pretty much to an itemized list of what everybody keeps claiming hamas never does, from hiding behind medical services to having zero intention of abiding by peace agreements.
... then...
> “The [investigation] in Sde Teiman caused immense damage to the image of the state of Israel and the IDF [Israel Defense Forces],” the Israeli prime minister, Benjamin Netanyahu, said in a statement on Sunday. “This is perhaps the most severe public relations attack that the state of Israel has experienced since its establishment.”
... then unsurprisingly...
> a far-right mob gathered outside Sde Teiman calling for the investigation to be dropped.
... and so...
> said in a resignation letter last week that she had authorised publication of the video to defuse attacks on military investigators and prosecutors working on the case.
How the fuck do people go out there protesting in support of the violent rape of prisoners? Sickening stuff.
I’m confused?
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Lawmaker Hanoch Milwidsky was asked as he defended the alleged abuse whether it was legitimate, "to insert a stick into a person's rectum?"
"Yes!" he shouted in reply to his fellow parliamentarian. "If he is a Nukhba [Hamas special forces that took active part in october 7th, and did a lot of killing and raping], everything is legitimate to do! Everything!"
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What a movement.
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/israel-hamas-war-idf-palestinia...
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Lawmaker Hanoch Milwidsky was asked as he defended the alleged abuse whether it was legitimate, "to insert a stick into a person's rectum?"
"Yes!" he shouted in reply to his fellow parliamentarian. "If he is a Nukhba [Hamas special forces that took active part in october 7th, and did a lot of killing and raping], everything is legitimate to do! Everything!"
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do you admit that you lied about " debate in knesset about right to rape" ?
You can get pedantic and argue all you want about meaningless tangents to try to misrepresent people whose views you dislike as liars but in the end you are going to be another Zionist using rhetoric to distract from your racist and genocidal ideology.
Admit you are genocidal and racist. Admit you support IDF that raped on camera.
But what else can I expect from the movement that justifies murder and starvation of children as necessary for peace.
I’ll tell you what — when you start accepting what the hospitals in Gaza are saying about the Palestinians we will start accepting what the twisted IDF doctors are saying.
You literally had a high ranking IDF officer resign in protest over the coverup of the rapes. Imagine the level of evil to make an IDF officer resign. My guess is she saw much more than we have seen.