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Posted by brandonb 11 hours ago

Fiber reduces overall mortality by 23%(www.empirical.health)
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hinkley 10 hours ago|
It was only about five years ago I realized that pectin is a soluble fiber. My entire childhood is a lie. All that lovely jam and jelly was a delivery mechanism.
panarky 10 hours ago||
Does eating fiber by itself reduce mortality?

Or do healthy and wealthy people with active lifestyles and excellent healthcare happen to also eat more fiber?

e584 10 hours ago||
Oh wow, I'm sure the authors of the meta study never considered that...
brandonb 10 hours ago|||
This is honestly a limitation of nearly all nutrition research -- it's based on observational data.

Part of the reason we expect fiber to reduce mortality, rather than simply being a marker of other factors correlated with mortality, is that we can identify physiological mechanisms. For example, for cardiovascular mortality, fiber reduces LDL cholesterol / ApoB which lowers heart attack and stroke risk.

tanseydavid 10 hours ago||
Ask your doctor.
stabbles 10 hours ago||
Funny how the first suggestion is supplements, the second whole foods.
ratelimitsteve 10 hours ago||
what do I need to get my mortality up to 123%? I'm deadmaxxing
1121redblackgo 10 hours ago||
Olipop ad?
brandonb 10 hours ago|
(OP here) - no affiliation with Olipop. But we've tried all the fiber supplements around the office, and we found Olipop is a pretty palatable option compared to, say, psyllium husk (which forms a gel when combined with water).
erulabs 10 hours ago|||
Worth noting that Olipop's fiber comes from inulin, which can be purchased as a supplement and dissolves in water nicely. I'm very curious why inulin is such an unknown product - its a polysaccharide, so it tastes mildly sweet despite having minimal to no impact on glucose levels.

You'd think we'd have been supplementing almost all sugary foods/drinks with it for years, since it's a cheap and healthy sweetener.

brandonb 4 hours ago||
Very interesting!
slabity 10 hours ago|||
Looks more like an ad for your app though... Which for some reason collects tons of data unrelated to health, like messages, location data, and photos/videos/files?
brandonb 10 hours ago||
Photos are used to track nutrition -- you choose each photo to upload within the app.

Location is only used, in context, to help find healthy meals near you. (You can use the app with or without enabling this location-based feature; if you don't use it, then we don't ask for location.)

Where are you seeing messages? We don't track messages, so this is probably a mistake in our metadata.

slabity 10 hours ago||
https://play.google.com/store/apps/datasafety?id=com.empiric...

Sorry for being pessimistic, it's just whenever I see a health related app I immediately look at the data collected and data shared sections and get concerned. Especially if it's being shared with insurance companies.

Quick edit: That "messages" part might be only in-app ones. Google does not word that well in the summary.

brandonb 10 hours ago||
I see -- yeah, the Android metadata says "in-app messages". That refers to features where you can message support or a doctor within the app. We don't attempt to read your text messages or anything like that.

Your data isn't shared with insurance companies.

jad9m 11 hours ago||
am I the only one who thought this article was about fibre internet (from the title)?
jayd16 11 hours ago||
No but I was hoping it was. Then insurance would pay for the roll out.
re-thc 11 hours ago|||
Back to the Dotcom bubble instead of AI?
canadiantim 11 hours ago||
yes
fellowniusmonk 10 hours ago||
Literally grind up 2 tbps of Hulled Barley, take 2 mins to boil it in a microwave with a bunch of water, drink your barley water and call it a day.

Humans effectively co-evolved with Barley drink, it's insane we try all this other stuff.

The benefits of barley and beta glucan are well established.

People don't seem to appreciate that it aids in more thorough digestion while protecting your digestive tract.

Eat roughage and greens all you want, but barley in a spice grinder is 100% the base layer for everything else and it takes 3 mins a day to microwave and drink.

Incidentally this also helps regulate the water content in your colon, so hydration curves improve as well.

Bulking with greens without laying down a soluble fiber base is why people get the salad shooter expierence, the greens don't stay in your digestive tract long enough.

All these lesser grains have to have ad campaigns and health fads, barley is the goat and always in demand and so people over look it.

Noaidi 11 hours ago||
For who? The Inuit? The Chinese? Europeans? People with my ice age genetics? (Nope)

I despise studies that do not take genetics into account. Fiber made my cholesterol worse! The only thing that lowered my LDL and riased my HDL was a seafood only diet. Fiber flares my IBD, most likely from my NOD2 genetics[1][2].

[1] https://www.nature.com/articles/35079107

[2] https://www.mdpi.com/2072-6643/14/22/4775

"IBD patients show that microbiota dysbiosis and diet, especially dietary fiber, can modulate its composition. These patients are more at risk of energy protein malnutrition than the general population and are deficient in micronutrients"

thisislife2 11 hours ago||
If you don't mind telling us, what fiber-rich food did you consume?
Noaidi 10 hours ago||
Pretty much none, and I poop like clockwork now. Maybe some sourdough crisp breads every now and then, and some white rice. But I avoid most plant foods but frop seaweed and mushrooms (they contain Fucose (not fructose!) which helps my gut becasue I am a FUT2 non-secretor [1] as well.

In my late 20s and 30's I was going to the bathroom (urgently) at least twice a day if not more. My gut was bloated and my mental health was much much worse.

[1] https://www.frontiersin.org/journals/microbiology/articles/1...

jjtheblunt 10 hours ago|||
> Fiber made my cholesterol worse!

Interesting: what is the evidence for causality there? Might you have antibodies/allergies involved, for instance?

aeturnum 10 hours ago|||
I mean, if you click on the first link you will open the paper they are summarizing[1]. It's a meta analysis of 64 studies, so you could certainly go through the studies and look at each population.

However, the actual answer is that all population studies are only gross generalizations that may not apply to you. They are often quite useful because the odds are generally good that they do apply...but it's never certain. Even if you are a member of the studied population your specific circumstances may overwhelm your populations norms.

[1] https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/38011755/

Noaidi 10 hours ago||
Yeah, but I am at the tail end of these statistical curves and my life was absolute hell and doctors (but one) did nothing for me. And they kept telling me to eat fiber cause my cholesterol was so high and HDL was too low (30)!

If the meta analysis showed population differences, why did the article not bring it up? This is what is wrong with nutrition research, then never account fro genetics despite the huge about of evidence that it is extremely importnat.

The truth is that fiber does not reduce mortality for everyone by 23%. I would rather not be guessing with science and health. I lived through that and it took me years to get out of it.

lanfeust6 10 hours ago||
Nice anecdote, don't believe it for a second.
sleepytimetea 11 hours ago|
And here I am, stuck with only cable modem connectivity.
m463 10 hours ago||
that's unfortunate since fiber has better bandwidth, congestion control and large packet support.
gpi 10 hours ago||
Digestion control