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Posted by brandonb 11/5/2025

Fiber reduces overall mortality by 23%(www.empirical.health)
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hinkley 11/5/2025|
It was only about five years ago I realized that pectin is a soluble fiber. My entire childhood is a lie. All that lovely jam and jelly was a delivery mechanism.
panarky 11/5/2025||
Does eating fiber by itself reduce mortality?

Or do healthy and wealthy people with active lifestyles and excellent healthcare happen to also eat more fiber?

e584 11/5/2025||
Oh wow, I'm sure the authors of the meta study never considered that...
brandonb 11/5/2025|||
This is honestly a limitation of nearly all nutrition research -- it's based on observational data.

Part of the reason we expect fiber to reduce mortality, rather than simply being a marker of other factors correlated with mortality, is that we can identify physiological mechanisms. For example, for cardiovascular mortality, fiber reduces LDL cholesterol / ApoB which lowers heart attack and stroke risk.

tanseydavid 11/5/2025||
Ask your doctor.
fuckinpuppers 11/6/2025||
Fiber internet? Much happier outcomes, less stress, probably less death? :)
stabbles 11/5/2025||
Funny how the first suggestion is supplements, the second whole foods.
ratelimitsteve 11/5/2025||
what do I need to get my mortality up to 123%? I'm deadmaxxing
Noaidi 11/5/2025||
For who? The Inuit? The Chinese? Europeans? People with my ice age genetics? (Nope)

I despise studies that do not take genetics into account. Fiber made my cholesterol worse! The only thing that lowered my LDL and riased my HDL was a seafood only diet. Fiber flares my IBD, most likely from my NOD2 genetics[1][2].

[1] https://www.nature.com/articles/35079107

[2] https://www.mdpi.com/2072-6643/14/22/4775

"IBD patients show that microbiota dysbiosis and diet, especially dietary fiber, can modulate its composition. These patients are more at risk of energy protein malnutrition than the general population and are deficient in micronutrients"

thisislife2 11/5/2025||
If you don't mind telling us, what fiber-rich food did you consume?
Noaidi 11/5/2025||
Pretty much none, and I poop like clockwork now. Maybe some sourdough crisp breads every now and then, and some white rice. But I avoid most plant foods but frop seaweed and mushrooms (they contain Fucose (not fructose!) which helps my gut becasue I am a FUT2 non-secretor [1] as well.

In my late 20s and 30's I was going to the bathroom (urgently) at least twice a day if not more. My gut was bloated and my mental health was much much worse.

[1] https://www.frontiersin.org/journals/microbiology/articles/1...

jjtheblunt 11/5/2025|||
> Fiber made my cholesterol worse!

Interesting: what is the evidence for causality there? Might you have antibodies/allergies involved, for instance?

lanfeust6 11/5/2025|||
Nice anecdote, don't believe it for a second.
aeturnum 11/5/2025||
I mean, if you click on the first link you will open the paper they are summarizing[1]. It's a meta analysis of 64 studies, so you could certainly go through the studies and look at each population.

However, the actual answer is that all population studies are only gross generalizations that may not apply to you. They are often quite useful because the odds are generally good that they do apply...but it's never certain. Even if you are a member of the studied population your specific circumstances may overwhelm your populations norms.

[1] https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/38011755/

Noaidi 11/5/2025||
Yeah, but I am at the tail end of these statistical curves and my life was absolute hell and doctors (but one) did nothing for me. And they kept telling me to eat fiber cause my cholesterol was so high and HDL was too low (30)!

If the meta analysis showed population differences, why did the article not bring it up? This is what is wrong with nutrition research, then never account fro genetics despite the huge about of evidence that it is extremely importnat.

The truth is that fiber does not reduce mortality for everyone by 23%. I would rather not be guessing with science and health. I lived through that and it took me years to get out of it.

1121redblackgo 11/5/2025||
Olipop ad?
brandonb 11/5/2025|
(OP here) - no affiliation with Olipop. But we've tried all the fiber supplements around the office, and we found Olipop is a pretty palatable option compared to, say, psyllium husk (which forms a gel when combined with water).
erulabs 11/5/2025|||
Worth noting that Olipop's fiber comes from inulin, which can be purchased as a supplement and dissolves in water nicely. I'm very curious why inulin is such an unknown product - its a polysaccharide, so it tastes mildly sweet despite having minimal to no impact on glucose levels.

You'd think we'd have been supplementing almost all sugary foods/drinks with it for years, since it's a cheap and healthy sweetener.

devchix 11/6/2025|||
The human body lacks the enzyme to digest inulin, it passes through the gut and feeds the gut bacteria, which I guess is why it's labeled a pro-biotic? Jerusalem artichoke (the root of a sunflower, Jerusalem is a corruption of girasole) contains a high concentration of inulin. This tuber is usually found served at upper-end swanky restaurants. One year I found it at a farmer's market, bought a bunch and gleefully carted it home. It was rather delicious. Also, gas that would turn a cow inside out. Beware.
brandonb 11/6/2025|||
Very interesting!
slabity 11/5/2025|||
Looks more like an ad for your app though... Which for some reason collects tons of data unrelated to health, like messages, location data, and photos/videos/files?
brandonb 11/5/2025||
Photos are used to track nutrition -- you choose each photo to upload within the app.

Location is only used, in context, to help find healthy meals near you. (You can use the app with or without enabling this location-based feature; if you don't use it, then we don't ask for location.)

Where are you seeing messages? We don't track messages, so this is probably a mistake in our metadata.

slabity 11/5/2025||
https://play.google.com/store/apps/datasafety?id=com.empiric...

Sorry for being pessimistic, it's just whenever I see a health related app I immediately look at the data collected and data shared sections and get concerned. Especially if it's being shared with insurance companies.

Quick edit: That "messages" part might be only in-app ones. Google does not word that well in the summary.

brandonb 11/5/2025||
I see -- yeah, the Android metadata says "in-app messages". That refers to features where you can message support or a doctor within the app. We don't attempt to read your text messages or anything like that.

Your data isn't shared with insurance companies.

jad9m 11/5/2025||
am I the only one who thought this article was about fibre internet (from the title)?
jayd16 11/5/2025||
No but I was hoping it was. Then insurance would pay for the roll out.
re-thc 11/5/2025|||
Back to the Dotcom bubble instead of AI?
canadiantim 11/5/2025||
yes
sleepytimetea 11/5/2025|
And here I am, stuck with only cable modem connectivity.
m463 11/5/2025||
that's unfortunate since fiber has better bandwidth, congestion control and large packet support.
gpi 11/5/2025||
Digestion control