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Posted by 14113 14 hours ago

Say Hi to Kit(www.firefox.com)
48 points | 60 commentspage 3
low_tech_punk 13 hours ago|
Everyone asks, what does the fox say, no one cares how the fox feels. Thank you Mozilla, now we know the fox feels like open source.
lapcat 14 hours ago||
The criticism of this in the other comments is so strange. If Mozilla can raise some money independently of Google by selling merchandise, all the better!

And it's not like software engineers are spending time on this instead of working on Firefox. That's not a real tradeoff. It's an effort that pays for itself and doesn't take away from Firefox development.

latexr 13 hours ago||
> If Mozilla can raise some money independently of Google by selling merchandise, all the better!

Agreed, but did they need a new mascot to sell merchandise? It’s not like the old logo wasn’t already cool.

> And it's not like software engineers are spending time on this instead of working on Firefox.

But Mozilla is still spending money and resources on it. The issue isn’t this rebranding specifically, but that this is yet another distraction which won’t produce any real result.

> It's an effort that pays for itself

Is it? That’s not a given, and we definitely can’t say either way yet. Considering all of Mozilla’s past efforts, pretty much all of which they abandoned, I’d be very wary of calling this one a success so early on.

lapcat 13 hours ago||
> Is it? That’s not a given, and we definitely can’t say either way yet. Considering all of Mozilla’s past efforts, pretty much all of which they abandoned, I’d be very wary of calling this one a success so early on.

The economics of selling branded clothing has been very well understood for 50 years. The markup for slapping a logo on a T-shirt is massive. Plus, it's a form of crowdsourced, word-of-chest advertising.

And Mozilla already has designers on staff. It's unlikely they had to do any extra hiring for this.

latexr 13 hours ago||
> The economics of selling branded clothing has been very well understood for 50 years. The markup for slapping a logo on a T-shirt is massive. Plus, it's a form of crowdsourced, word-of-chest advertising.

None of that addresses the point that the old logo was already very merchandisable.

Furthermore, whatever markup they’re making is not something you can just generalise. It is very possible, likely even, that the bulk of the cost goes to whatever company is making the t-shirts (I haven’t looked but I doubt Mozilla is doing it in-house).

zetanor 13 hours ago|||
The problem is that every single public money drive using the "Firefox" brand since at least 2018 has been for the exclusive benefit of the Mozilla Foundation NGO, not the Mozilla Corporation entity which develops Firefox. Donations in the About screen of Firefox go to the Mozilla Foundation. The Mozilla Foundation does not appear to fund or even support anything related to Firefox:

> How will my donation be used?

> At Mozilla, our mission is to keep the Internet healthy, open, and accessible for all. The Mozilla Foundation programs are supported by grassroots donations and grants. Our grassroots donations, from supporters like you, are our most flexible source of funding. These funds directly support advocacy campaigns (i.e. asking big tech companies to protect your privacy), research and publications like the Privacy Not Included buyer's guide and Internet Health Report, and covers a portion of our annual MozFest gathering.

(from https://www.mozillafoundation.org/en/donate/help/#frequently...)

Do Spreadshirt sales benefit the Foundation (not Firefox), or are they revenue for the Corporation (Firefox)? I've looked around for a minute and can't tell.

8474_s 12 hours ago||
> The Firefox brand is getting a refresh and you get the first look.
tomashubelbauer 13 hours ago||
That's one weird looking red panda.
thiht 12 hours ago||
No plushie in the merch store, literally unusable
msdrigg 14 hours ago||
I know I'm going to get downvoted into oblivion here but I do think it looks kinda nice -- like I might would buy one of the sweatshirts
nefarious_ends 14 hours ago|
the sweatshirts are 50% cotton, 50% polyester which is a bit unfortunate.
noir_lord 13 hours ago|||
Not everywhere apparently.

T-Shirts and Sweatshirts are 100% organic cotton (in the UK store at least).

nefarious_ends 11 hours ago||
ah, you’re right. I was looking at the north american store :3
timcobb 14 hours ago|||
Brutal
ProfessorZoom 13 hours ago||
this is gonna make even more people think firefox is a fox
DoctorOW 14 hours ago||
This is only getting hate because people love to hate on Firefox. Firefox having a name and identity for the little guy in their logo is a no-brainer.

I put my money where my mouth is, I use Firefox everyday for my regular browsing both on my computer and on Android. It works great. So tired of the FUD.

zetanor 14 hours ago||
People love to hate on Mozilla because they love Firefox.
BoredPositron 14 hours ago||
Has the vibe of getting a new hair color to start your "new" life. Just to see in a week or two that you actually have to change to change.
agos 13 hours ago|
the responsive layout is all broken on Safari. I know they make a competing browser, but come on...