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Posted by todsacerdoti 11/9/2025

Drilling down on Uncle Sam's proposed TP-Link ban(krebsonsecurity.com)
279 points | 369 commentspage 5
neuroelectron 11/10/2025|
Seems hard to overestimate their market when if you go to Walmart 75% of the routers they have in stock are TP link
lpcvoid 11/10/2025||
I am surprised at the amount of people on HN who don't use OpenWRT. I thought this was hacker news!
vjvjvjvjghv 11/9/2025||
If only there were US manufacturers that could produce things at a decent price and didn't actively hate their customers.
silisili 11/9/2025||
Eero used to be pretty close. Years ago, I used to stalk the subreddit despite never owning an Eero just because the (US based) devs would often drop knowledge bombs. AFAIK they wrote the entire software stack in house.

I have no idea if that's still the case, especially post AMZ, but worth looking into if so.

havaloc 11/9/2025|||
I miss the insider information. Some Redditors were not nice and they all left Reddit and their insider information stopped flowing, it's a shame, it was cool to see behind the development veil.
baggachipz 11/10/2025|||
Eero was great before they were purchased by Amazon, cut to the bone, and went to shit as Amazon capitalized on their brand cachet. I miss them so :(
pengaru 11/10/2025||
Are you speculating or do you have actual evidence of layoffs or other large cuts stemming from the acquisition? Link to old news articles perhaps?

I doubt the old guard was super pleased with the acquisition and many probably left voluntarily after seeing their dreams of profitable exit abruptly become acquihired by AMZN. But I don't actually know anything about what happened then. (I'm presently at eero, joined long after the acquisition... FWIW my experience isn't really consistent with your claims)

baggachipz 11/10/2025||
You have the inside track so I'll defer to most. But on /r/eero the devs (specifically one in particular) always responded and were very engaged with the community. That sort of thing is only possible in a small passionate company. I don't trust any Amazon hardware in my home so I am curious if they're as good as they were. What is your experience like working there?

Addendum: looks like rank-and-file employees were screwed and the execs cashed in hard[1]. There was a lot of attrition after that. So I guess Amazon didn't have to lay people off, they did it themselves.

[1]https://mashable.com/article/amazon-eero-wifi-router-sale

pengaru 11/11/2025||
This was all before my time. I don't have the impression quality has deteriorated from past gens of the product, quite the opposite from where I'm sitting.

Working there is interesting. AMZN corporate can be a drag but I imagine that's true for any FAANG or part of any large company.

medoc 11/9/2025|||
The fact that TP-Link products are vastly better and cheaper than all their numerous competitors is indeed a bit strange. You have to either think that all the people at Linksys, Netgear, D-link, etc. are incompetents or that something a bit out of the ordinary is going on at TP-Link...
vjvjvjvjghv 11/9/2025|||
I see that at the company I work at. US management at many companies is about doing the absolute minimum for a maximum of profit. It doesn’t allow for competence or long term investment so companies turn into empty shells.
dangus 11/10/2025||||
It’s not that unheard of. Does anyone make a better $999 laptop than Apple? Nope, the MacBook Air is faster and gets better battery life with zero fans and basically nothing on the market compares. That doesn’t make Apple “suspicious” more than any other company.

TP-Link is the best for the same reason Apple is the best. They just have the momentum of being in the lead.

I would also say that TP-Link isn’t wildly and unrealistically cheaper or anything.

Their prosumer/business Omada lineup is clunky and kinda sucks compared to Ubiquiti.

Zyxel WiFi 7 APs are more competitively priced than basically anything last I checked.

tacticus 11/10/2025||||
the other companies want higher profit margins.
hulitu 11/10/2025|||
> You have to either think that all the people at Linksys, Netgear, D-link, etc. are incompetents

They are. "Profit oriented". I bought a D-Link router once. Only one (1) port out of 4 was working. Great product, i never want to see something like this again. /s

simoncion 11/10/2025||
> I bought a D-Link router once. Only one (1) port out of 4 was working.

Did you return that obviously damaged merchandise for an undamaged replacement? If not, why not?

hdgvhicv 11/9/2025|||
I’m sure there’s some way to inject advertising - otherwise it’s just leaving money on the table.
ZeroConcerns 11/9/2025|||
I'm old enough to remember most cable modems and set-top boxes being manufactured in the US.

They were... not great...

blitzar 11/9/2025||
I am pretty sure the companies that made those, had a monopoly on them and charged $500 a piece went bankrupt too.
system2 11/9/2025||
There is, but corporate greed doesn't allow it.
Zigurd 11/10/2025||
It's a bit of a racist trope to see the Chinese as more sophisticated in the way they handle international relations, especially compared to what's currently going on in the US. The Chinese are totally capable of being boorish and loud and offensive. They even had a name for this trend: "Wolf Warrior Diplomacy." You might think that's something Pete Hegseth invented.

Salt Typhoon is a serious ongoing attack on lawful intercept systems in telecom networks. There's nothing any individual can do to protect themselves from this, and it's probably deployed everywhere that US style lawful intercept specifications are implemented in telecom networks.

Of course the irony is that domestic surveillance is the attack surface for this exploit.

I would like to be able to weigh the risk of a TP link router being a national security threat against something like Salt Typhoon. But there's a lack of transparency that makes that impossible.

cratermoon 11/10/2025||
I don't see anything here that suggests TP-Link is especially bad at security. What I do see is anti-China fearmongering by GOP officials.
tapper 11/10/2025||
OpenWRT for the win!
gunalx 11/10/2025||
The mai reason I 2ill never buy any tplink consumer shit again, was that I could not setup the router without having direct internet access.(No way to SRT it up as lan only) And buying stuff that depends on internet services that shoudnt need to is a hard no for me.
ChoGGi 11/10/2025||
Trump is getting a golden router isn't he?
garganzol 11/10/2025|
TP-Gold router with polished surface so that the greatness could be fully reflected to its radiant carrier. Amen
almaight 11/10/2025||
The US government is becoming another Soviet Union.
tonyhart7 11/10/2025|
people in comment is missing a point

this is a political move, if we apply the reason of security concern to anything. it would affect 80% of things US consume since its directly and indirectly come back to china as a part of supply chain

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