Posted by EA-3167 11/13/2025
My siblings all got vaccinated after that, and my mother stopped being antivax (still taking 'alternative' medecine, but also still taking conventional one). I guess seeing your child in so much pain and develop arythmia because of your 'beliefs' can make you change. Hopefully things like this will be less and less common.
keyword being "can" there.
> Parents of Texas child who died of measles remain opposed to vaccine
https://www.wfaa.com/article/news/health/parents-of-texas-ch...
I'll never understand how the party that's famously against government red tape got away with manipulating its base to be against a reasonable streamlining of said red tape, once it was appropriate to do so.
Why cant you use your real account, not one you made half an hour ago, to ask these things?
My wife and I got the shots as soon as we could, she got a kidney complication, like quite a few people. Too bad, says govt.
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S000296292...
This is one of the stranger complaints of the anti-vax movement.
This is literally how we eradicated polio in children.
Christ, y'all are weird.
Components of MMR and TDaP were tested for some 5-8 years before deployment (and then some for combinations).
I'm weird for sure.
There was also only 3 years between the testing of the combination MMR vaccine and its license and deployment in 71. But there wasn't significant new data gathered in between those years.
Let me know when you've stopped moving the goalposts.
Covid vaccines were tested on tens of thousands in 8-10 months.
As I said, MMR components were 5-8 years tested and then mass-deployed by the time of combination.
Mandates didn't come until the late 60s/70s for either MMR or Polio vaccines, therefore decades.
All that dealing with much higher (by YLL/DALY) impact than Covid.
Please look up these timelines.
While the entire study took over a year, different populations were "monitored" for, at best, six months, many less.
The trial size was massive, but its generally agreed to have been overkill.
The results didn't differ much from the first 150 kids they tried it on.
Anyway:
1. All vaccines have liability protection.
2. You could know of literally 10 people who had significant adverse effects (which you don't) and, given the scale of vaccine rollout, it would still be mathematically safer than pretty much every drug on the market.
Sorry, but you've been successfully lied to on this topic.
With previous vaccines, while they were new, there were no mandates.
"Pretty much any drug of the market" is a big stretch, and there is no mandate attached to those drugs.
> The vendors themselves didn't trust the new vaccines the same as old one, why should anyone else.
Not sure what "didn't trust the new vaccines the same as the old one" is supposed to mean. It's a totally different drug with a totally different body of evidence. The pharma companies trusted them in that their high-quality, gigantic clinical trials came back with some of the best safety and efficacy data we've ever seen in any drug trial ever.
> "Pretty much any drug of the market" is a big stretch
No, it's actually not. Even the most "common" serious adverse effects are so rare that the clinical trials would've needed to be orders of magnitude larger than the largest clinical trials ever conducted in order to detect them.
This has held true even scaled to billions of doses.
It was a totally different drug with a very short term body of evidence. If pharma companies trusted them so much why did they require different liability treatment?
Just for renal side-effects, those requiring long-term treatment manifest in about 5 per million vaccinations, heart side effects even more prevalent. This is nowhere near the safety record of say MMR or DTaP.
In the US they used the same liability structure that has existed for emergency vaccine scale-up since the early 2000s.
> 5 per million vaccinations
This is an unbelievably rare side effect. The fact that you're raising this as evidence of risk is actually revealing basic innumeracy.
The rate of febrile seizures from the MMR vaccine is nearly identical to the rate of myocarditis in young men from the COVID vaccine (the most likely problem for the highest risk group).
In both cases, the problem is rare and almost always relatively minor.
The reason you know and care about one is because COVID mainstreamed the cottage industry that relays numbers like "5 per million" in such a way as to make them seem scary (lol).
The reason I know and care is that my wife will probably require dialysis for the rest of her life.
We've been duped into accepting an experimental drug for a disease with minor consequences for otherwise healthy people.
Myo- and pericarditis are both dramatically more serious normally. This is actually not true of the instances caused by the COVID vaccines.
And no, if you’re concerned about myo- and pericarditis from the vaccines, you should be aware that the same disorders are caused by COVID itself at a much higher rate and more serious instances.
Sorry about what happened to your wife, but the fact that infrequent events do happen to specific people (in the case to your wife) does not make those events more frequent than they actually are.
Oh yeah there were: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/COVID-19_vaccination_mandates_...
In particular:
> In September 2021, the employees of all federally-funded Medicaid and Medicare-certified health care facilities, and Head Start program facilities, were required to be vaccinated, as ordered through the United States Department of Health and Human Services (HHS).[33][34][31] Companies with more than 100 employees could either require vaccination for all (and give their workers four hours' paid time off for their vaccination appointments); or require any unvaccinated employees to wear masks and be tested weekly for COVID-19, according to an Occupational Safety and Health Administration (OSHA) Emergency Temporary Standard.[35][36] These two policies together —federally-funded healthcare facilities and large companies— would apply to 100 million workers and were scheduled to take effect on January 4, 2022.[32]
The healthcare one happened, while the OSHA one went through multiple appeals before they abandoned it (details on the page). Biden even went on record telling companies to start implementing it in preparation for when they got through the appeal.
Hot as in, I’m feeling kind of feverish because I’m now sick because we let whooping cough spread to prove a point to people who get their medical information from Facebook.
Of course it's horrific. But it's a predictable outcome of antivax culture.
When nothing else works, what are you supposed to do?
It's uglier this way for sure and will cause more suffering. Sucks.
Those reasons are simple. People they trust are lying to them for monetary and political gain about a subject they personally know nothing about.
That's it. That's all there is to it.
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> But to do that is to admit that MAYBE the US govt didn't handle COVID perfectly.
My friend, antivax bullshit has been swelling long before COVID. Turns out there's way more money and power in peddling these people snake oil than something that will help their health.
And secondly, whatever complaints you have about handling COVID, the vaccines for it were and are safe and effective, but no amount of evidence will ever convince them.
[0] https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/people-vaccinated-covid?c...
I don't think it was a particularly effective tactic.
To which I’d say… maybe?
I was able to dig up this paper that showed 66% of the COVID unvaccinated regretted their decision after hospitalization. The rest were undeterred, even after hospitalization, mostly due to ideology and conspiracies.
But the problem is that I wouldn’t be comfortable risking public health to prove 2/3 of a point to vaccine skeptics who should’ve known better anyway. The Hippocratic oath is to do no harm, and I wouldn’t want a loved one with a suppressed immune system or lung problems to get seriously sick because we let the disease spread by choice.
But we don't have any kind of cultural immunity to the kind of propagandised and designed messaging that drives these campaigns.
In the absence of that, learning through consequences - and coming in with the messaging after they happen - is the only thing that can make a difference.
It seem like if we can find a vaccine for propaganda, we would get a lot of mileage out of it.
So considering that, I suspect the loss of life would increase in the long run.