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Posted by koolba 16 hours ago

Larry Summers resigns from OpenAI board(www.cnbc.com)
https://www.nytimes.com/2025/11/19/technology/larry-summers-..., https://archive.ph/ASfq6
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black_13 8 hours ago|
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strathmeyer 11 hours ago||
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SilverElfin 11 hours ago||
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kccoder 8 hours ago||
I don't know what you tell you if the systematic abuse of hundreds (some reporting does suggest more than 1000) children doesn't rile you up. The fact that it is nearly exclusively rich and powerful people who participated only amplifies the effect. Most of us are absolutely fed up with the two-tier justice system, where the rich, powerful, and connected get to do whatever they want, while regular folk continually have their rights eroded. The powerful are often able to divert our attention from the injustice of the rich/powerful by dividing the people with propaganda, pitting one side against the other. Turns out the Epstein situation is one of the rare cases where nearly everyone agrees. You should expect it to receive increasingly large amounts of attention until we actually receive the real info and heads roll.
havblue 8 hours ago|||
I'm not as alarmed that one of the most influential economists in America is a potential sex trafficker. I'm alarmed about to what degree the most influential people in America are being blackmailed.
tastyface 10 hours ago|||
Why is it such a big deal that many of our leaders (including Numero Uno) are likely rapists and pedophiles?

I don’t even know how to answer that question.

SilverElfin 7 hours ago||
Like I said - it’s reprehensible. I’m not minimizing the crime but pointing out there are bigger problems. Focusing on this instead of inflation or housing or healthcare means a lot more people will suffer than there are victims of Epstein. We have to prioritize. If too much attention and energy goes to this, bigger problems will be left unaddressed. The things I’m listing are occupying virtually none of the national focus right now, for example.
stevesimmons 7 hours ago|||
Why do you think the current government would be the slightest bit interested in solutions to housing, inflation or healthcare if Epstein wasn't an issue?
bigyabai 5 hours ago|||
> Focusing on this instead of inflation or housing or healthcare

> The things I’m listing are occupying virtually none of the national focus right now, for example.

Have you forgotten why the government was shut down last month?

What an embarrassing comment. I hope you don't mind me linking this back to you once the files are released in full.

e584 11 hours ago|||
The story goes way beyond the abuse itself, they were videotaping everything to black mail other rich people and even world leaders... it's one of the biggest scandals in American history and it's about more than Epstein alone.
protocolture 6 hours ago|||
My gut feeling is that theres a lot of things in there that punters need to know about, to make informed electoral decisions.

My gut feeling is also that its been largely overblown, and releasing the files might actually take some of the wind out of the conspiracy theories built on the lack of this data.

Zigurd 7 hours ago||
Epstein put a lot of rich and powerful people with influence in government and industry into compromising positions. Those thousand victims weren't a hobby. He was creating blackmail material and using it for his own gain, and to sell to others. The amount of money flowing through the scheme is so large that it has to be from government entities, like intelligence agencies. Sergey Lavrov's name has come up in the documents. It's very plausible that a lot of the money Epstein got originated in Russia. That's a national security problem.
giantfrog 11 hours ago||
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tclancy 7 hours ago|||
Game's gone.
seydor 9 hours ago|||
What has the world come to , bowing down to children ....
throwaway290 7 hours ago||
they telling us to "think of the children" again am I right? /s
rsynnott 6 hours ago|||
It’s elf ‘n safety gone mad!
tclancy 5 hours ago||
Utter woke nonsense!
dyauspitr 8 hours ago|||
*if you’re a democrat
cptroot 9 hours ago|||
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CodingJeebus 11 hours ago||
You should really Google some of the emails he wrote to Epstein. Summers wasn't just friends with Epstein, he was Epstein's padawan.
ivraatiems 11 hours ago||
I think you missed the sarcasm in the original post ;)
acdha 11 hours ago|||
Poe’s law applies too much these days. I’ve tried to get out of the habit of leaving jokes ambiguous like that because it’s just too easy to trip readers up, especially when not everyone has native level awareness of idioms or social context.
giraffe_lady 11 hours ago||
Part of the problem is also frankly that HN has a culture that encourages serious engagement (or at least a facsimile of it) with the worst opinions it's possible to have. You just can't keep your sense for sincerity finely honed in an environment like that.
Chris2048 8 hours ago||
> the worst opinions it's possible to have

can you give examples?

tclancy 5 hours ago|||
https://www.reddit.com/r/ShitHNSays/ Exists for just this.
Chris2048 4 hours ago||
And reddit exist for the sake of smug echo-chamber dwellers. Or bots.

A lot of the posts listed there are: * obvious joke/sarcasm/tongue-in-cheek etc * taken out of context, or editorialised to similar effect (e.g. missing nuance that often exists in the same thread) * based on the disbelief or disapproval of equally unqualified reddit-bros * flagged/dead or heavily downvoted, the opposite of being 'encouraged'

In other words, a lot of low effort 'gotcha' point scoring against alleged 'tech-bros' which may or ma not mean everyone in HN is a SV start-up pitcher, or that no one really know what a tech-bro is.

dylan604 7 hours ago|||
https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=45982802
Chris2048 4 hours ago||
your example is obvious sarcasm?
CodingJeebus 11 hours ago||||
ah crap, my gullibility strikes again
ncr100 11 hours ago|||
<3
nixosbestos 8 hours ago|||
Man, it's so understandable. Especially when 35-40% the country is doing exactly that kind of bullshit equivocative defense. Frankly I'm shocked the shitheads usually here read the room and have kept the child-rape apologia to themselves.
patja 9 hours ago|||
Part of the purpose of sarcasm is to inject humor. Personally, I don't find anything humorous about sexual assault.
Larrikin 8 hours ago|||
There is such a long history of using humor to affect change and discuss extremely serious matters. Legally it's protected speech because of it's importance.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Satire

Maxatar 8 hours ago||||
The main purpose of sarcasm is not humor, it's to use irony as a form of contempt. To the extent that humor is involved it's usually done so as a form of mockery.
btilly 8 hours ago||
I am perfectly OK with having contempt for powerful pedophiles. The opportunity for laughter is a bonus.

I just hope that the fallout doesn't begin and end with Prince Andrew and Larry Summers.

awalsh128 7 hours ago|||
Don't read Swift's A Modest Proposal then.
agodacenter 11 hours ago||
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yahoozoo 6 hours ago||
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tomhow 6 hours ago|
We've banned this account for repeatedly posting dross like this.

We detached this comment from https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=45983044 and marked it off topic.

jcgrillo 5 hours ago||
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tomhow 1 hour ago|
HN is not the place for wishing ill on people like this, no matter who it is or what they're accused of. The guidelines make it clear we're trying for something better here. We've had to ask you before not to heap scorn on people. Substantive criticism of someone's actions is fine. Wishing grave harm and humiliation on them is not. If you want to keep using HN, you need to stop doing this. Please take a moment to read the guidelines and make an effort to observe them in future. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
ZeroConcerns 11 hours ago||
Well, good to see Hahhvuhhhd is not above the British monarchy when it comes to eventually ejecting sex pests! A low bar to clear, but well done!

Now, just for certain ex-Brit colonies to follow their example! Quick... who can think of a popular leader who is, ehhhm, quite intricately linked to the same, ehh, gentleman with pretty specific tastes?

Anyone?

ciconia 11 hours ago||
In a way it's comforting to know those people who hold these positions, with distinguished careers and supposedly made of better stuff than us mere mortals, are in fact just a bunch of miserable weasels, a-holes and sycophants.

We in western democracies used to regard with disdain those corrupt, ridiculous leadership figures in so-called banana republics and third-world dictatorships, with their openly corrupt dealings and amoral excesses.

Now that the moral posturing of the west is unraveling, the question is really what comes next. Fukuyama talked about western liberal democracy being the "end of history", but it is more and more evident that this is a system ripe for disruption.

frmersdog 8 hours ago|||
>We in western democracies used to regard with disdain those corrupt, ridiculous leadership figures in so-called banana republics and third-world dictatorships, with their openly corrupt dealings and amoral excesses.

Not that I wholly disagree, but in the interests of robust conversation, I feel compelled to ask:

When?

ebbi 8 hours ago||
It's in everyday things.

Like this most recent headline from AppleInsider:

"Cook controversially dines with Saudi Crown Prince at White House"

Now, I'm no Saudi Crown Prince stan, but would the word 'controversially' have been used if Cook dined with Biden - who funded and supported a genocide, in which hundreds of journalists were killed? Why was the word 'controversially' not used to refer to also being at the table with Trump there?

Yes, it's controversial that Cook had dinner with the Saudi Crown Prince. In my view it's even more controversial to be having dinner with Trump.

This is just the most recent headline I can give as an example. But there are many like this.

nixosbestos 8 hours ago|||
> In a way it's comforting to know those people who hold these positions, with distinguished careers and supposedly made of better stuff than us mere mortals, are in fact just a bunch of miserable weasels, a-holes and sycophants.

There's nothing that quite makes me feel like humanity has undergone speciation than the fact that this STILL HAS TO BE FUCKING SPELLED OUT FOR PEOPLE.

Hero worship is sycophancy of the highest order. Ugh, and I know you're so right.

jalapenof 11 hours ago|||
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pessimizer 11 hours ago||
And, to be less coy, how is the opposition party the one that treats Bill Clinton as its most valuable elder statesman? It's somehow Epstein all the way down. Glad I'm a left-wing Chomskyite, cynical about all of those corrupt, elite institutions. Wait...
stouset 11 hours ago|||
Bill Clinton hasn’t been relevant in politics for like twenty years. Nobody on the left thinks about or cares about him.
ZeroConcerns 11 hours ago|||
He's still extremely relevant, if only to derail discussions as demonstrated here. I'm waiting for someone to bring up Al Franken!
nemo 6 hours ago||
Don't forget Ted Kennedy!
frmersdog 8 hours ago|||
Depends on how deep the pillow talk went during the Obama admin.
runako 11 hours ago||||
> its most valuable elder statesman

That's Barack Obama. Among other things, he's not 80 and still has the vigor of youth. Clinton is just old at this point.

WhyOhWhyQ 11 hours ago||||
Pretty sure Obama is the MVES of the Democratic party.
fsckboy 11 hours ago||
Obama was the hothouse flower of the Democrat party that Bill Clinton singlehandedly wrought. No Bill Clinton, no Barack Obama. Before Bill Clinton, here's what the NYTimes (left wing though not as far left as now, but i.e. sympathetic) had to say about the field of Democrat candidates for president:

"The strongest and saddest impression this viewer took away from the collective appearance of the Democratic Presidential candidates on national television was that Snow White was missing, while the Seven Dwarfs prattled on." https://www.nytimes.com/1987/07/04/opinion/in-the-nation-the...

and you saw similar dynamics at play in the most recent series of elections. Biden was rammed into the nomination in 2020 because non of the field of candidates had a broad enough base of support. On the other side, Trump did what Clinton did, reshaped his party in his own image.

benhill70 11 hours ago||||
As someone who voted for Bill Clinton. If Bill Clinton is implicated, then he needs to suffer for it.

I think the real question is why didn't the Biden administration release the files. How many very powerful people left and right are in there?

koolba 9 hours ago|||
> I think the real question is why didn't the Biden administration release the files. How many very powerful people left and right are in there?

If I had to guess it's because there's nothing incriminating about Trump in them. Otherwise we all know they would have been leaked a long time ago.

KerrAvon 11 hours ago|||
tl;dr: Because there were ongoing investigations (which was true) and it's generally considered bad to release your evidence before trial, or something like that, IANAL.

This will also be Trump's (false) reason for not releasing them.

GenerocUsername 9 hours ago||
Why was t true before but false now?

I suspect it's been the false reason the whole time.

No one is investigating anything, only wiping hard drives and tying up loose ends

bryanlarsen 11 hours ago||||
> Bill Clinton as its most valuable elder statesman?

Huh? Bill Clinton has been a relatively invisible ex-president compared to the other modern ones (aka Carter & Obama, Biden hasn't been gone long enough for data).

Perhaps that's because he didn't want to overshadow Hillary, but it's at least partly because of the Lewinsky affair.

einpoklum 7 hours ago||
On the contrary, he's the perfect man to be on OpenAI's board; before and after these extra revelations.
perihelions 7 hours ago|
> "In other exchanges, Mr. Summers appeared to ask Mr. Epstein’s advice on how to pursue a romantic relationship"

That's NYT-speak for "they joked crudely and overtly about pressuring the woman into unwilling sex". You can dump the New York Times and read competent writing here:

https://www.thecrimson.com/article/2025/11/17/summers-epstei...

> "Summers went on to describe what he saw as his “best shot”: that the woman finds him “invaluable and interesting” and concludes “she can’t have it without romance / sex.”"

I think it remarkable how the NYT buries (far down on the page), and CNBC omits altogether, the underlying story about what Larry Summers was actually doing. CNBC euphemizes the whole thing away to vapor (there were mails—the end). These aren't good expositions.

(Speaking of the NYT' coverage, there's a new revelation one of their reporters actually helped Epstein evade scrutiny—it's another bit from the recently-disclosed email tranches. Their reporter Landon Thomas secretly tipped off Epstein that one of his NYT coworkers was "digging around" into Epstein—even gave Epstein the guy's name).

https://bsky.app/profile/chrisgeidner.bsky.social/post/3m5hn... ("Fall 2017: Then-NYT reporter literally warning Epstein that someone is "digging around again.")

thaumasiotes 7 hours ago|
> That's NYT-speak for "they joked crudely and overtly about pressuring the undergraduate into unwilling sex". You can dump the New York Times and read competent writing here:

What undergraduate? According to the link you provide, she graduated in 2004 and was the subject of discussion between Epstein and Summers in 2018.

perihelions 7 hours ago||
I got some of basic facts very wrong; I've removed that error.