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Posted by thewebguyd 9 hours ago

Microsoft AI CEO pushes back against critics after recent Windows AI backlash(www.windowscentral.com)
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themafia 8 hours ago|
> Jeez there so many cynics!

Jeez there are so many clueless CEOs!

> It cracks me up when I hear people call AI underwhelming.

This is your business. It should "make you curious." Saying it "cracks you up" is ridiculous behavior from someone in your position. I will never do business with someone like this.

> I grew up playing Snake on a Nokia phone!

Because you were bored? Or because you literally set time aside every day to play it because it was just that good? What is this nonsense?

> The fact that people are unimpressed that we can have a fluent conversation

I have "fluent conversations" already. With people. About recent and relevant things. The fact that a computer can pretend to do this is not impressive. Press on it hard enough and you'll immediately see the cracks. We've had weak chat bots since forever.

> with a super smart AI

That's trained on existing data. It cannot synthesize new perspectives or prerogatives. It often fails to know anything that recently occurred. It often presents data as if it is absolutely true and that it could not possibly be wrong. It's the opposite of smart in every way.

> that can generate any image/video is mindblowing to me.

It can make copies. It cannot generate anything novel. There was no part of my life that was hampered by the fact I couldn't generate images or videos. This is an amusement, not anything that adds to my bottom line.

FridgeSeal 3 hours ago|
If it weren’t so tiring having to wade through all the ai slop they add to products I’m forced to use, the fact that leadership in the field are getting petty and childish about how not everyone thinks their toy is shiny is a real “telling on themselves” moment.

If it actually, truly, world-changingly good as they are _begging us_ to believe they are, they wouldn’t need to care that people disliked it or chose not to use it.

But because they’re practically going red in the face screeching about it, it really comes off as “cope”, to use the hip new word.

djent 8 hours ago||
People think Windows sucks. People think AI sucks. Combine the two, ??? Still sucks
pjmlp 8 hours ago||
It is going to be the next Windows Me, Vista, Windows 8, and while I usually do pro-Windows comments, I also don't want an agentic OS Microsoft style.
frmersdog 8 hours ago|
I'll take Charms, mouse gestures, and the Start Screen over Copilot any day.
moron4hire 8 hours ago||
At least those things felt like a sincere attempt to move HCI forward. Perhaps not very well tested to understand how all the parts work together, but at least sincere. MS' Copilot brand is a broken solution in search of a problem.

It's almost like the kind of trap a lot of solo devs get into where they build a thing that is interesting to them but then can't find anyone else interested. But at least the solo devs built something that worked for themselves. I can't imagine anyone at MS eating their own dog food on this stuff.

At a company like MS, that shouldn't happen. They're supposed to have the resources to understand what their customers want. But we've seen this trend for the last 15 years. Companies like MS, Meta, Google, don't want to engage and collaborate with the customer. They want to push ideas down and be celebrated for their design brilliance. They don't even really A/B test this stuff anymore. The inmates are running the asylum.

int_19h 4 hours ago||
It wasn't even ten years ago when I was participating in user studies as a developer at MS. And it was the real deal: we had a bunch of people, specifically selected to give a diverse cross-cut of the user base (so varying backgrounds, experience level etc), sit down and try to do some simple tasks with our product, while devs and PMs watched over a camera. And, crucially, you couldn't ask questions or provide guidance during that time - only after they were done. That was incredibly informative, much more so than any telemetry I've seen before or after, and I wish that was the norm in all companies; but, in any case, Microsoft definitely had both the resources and the inclination to do that.

The problem is that no amount of studies or A/B testing is going to change a political decision inside the company. And with AI, I'm convinced that for all the big players it is political at this point simply because all the execs have bet so much money on it. If they can't make it work, we're talking about literally billions of dollars of responsibility. Hence these desperate attempts to shove it everywhere in hopes that something somewhere would work well enough, if not to recoup the investment, then at least to postpone the moment it all comes crashing down.

CMay 1 hour ago||
The technology is amazing, but Microsoft has no imagination in the way they try to make use of it. It's sad. It also legitimately hurts society that they are further blurring the line between what is an offline and online experience in Windows, which I fully and openly reject in the strongest of terms.

Also, Co-pilot objectively sucks and is a lying disinformation machine that has rarely helped me with anything.

Trust is Microsoft's greatest asset and they don't seem to have any champions inside the company that can tell these people they are destroying the company's trust.

Bing has been broken for a year now and nobody has fixed it. ATROCIOUSLY broken. That hurts trust.

gwbas1c 3 hours ago||
Copilot in Visual Studio is so hit or miss that frequently it's not worth using.

Today I asked it to add a constant as an argument to every call to a specific method in a unit test. The result was pure slop: The prompts leaked out into the proposed diff, and there was just a list of every method call, not placed where the method calls were in the unit test.

Just get the darn stuff to work before you shove it into every corner of my life.

PebblesHD 8 hours ago||
He seems to be intentionally missing the point of most of the complaints in order to direct away from his core area. The many legitimate criticisms of windows poor user experience lately will eventually drive change, but long will that take?

Not to mention, I can find AI perfectly impressive and still have absolutely no day-to-day use for it… certainly not enough to justify it taking over my operating system experience.

thewebguyd 8 hours ago|
Heck, I Do have day-to-day use for it, and I still don't want it to completely take over how I use and interact with my OS.

Nor do I ever want to have a voice conversation with my computer to where it responds in an uncanny valley voice. If I do want to use voice, it's to give a command. No response needed. "Hey computer, call John" that's it. Do the thing, don't talk back. A glorified voice assistant is all the further it needs to go.

lousken 8 hours ago||
Smart AI? You mean probability based token generator?
cmiles8 8 hours ago||
Windows has just become too bloated trying to do to many things. I like CoPilot, but all the “Clippy” style integrations of crap in Windows directly is just poor design. Microsoft also doesn’t have user trust in the way Apple does, so everyone just assumes MSFT is going bad things with the data.
estimator7292 7 hours ago||
It's not even a question of trust or loyalty. Microsoft has explicitly told us they're doing bad things with the data.

I don't think Microsoft as a corporation is any longer even aware of customer trust as a concept. All we are is a KPI and a credit card to be exploited for anything they feel they can take.

We aren't even people to Microsoft anymore. Just a revenue source to be maximally exploited right now with no concern for future revenue.

thewebguyd 8 hours ago||
> Microsoft also doesn’t have user trust in the way Apple does, so everyone just assumes MSFT is going bad things with the data.

I think this is a big part of it. If Apple ever achieves their vision for personal context Siri & AI in their OS, I bet people will praise it and actually use it. Because Apple has built trust with their customers, and has strong marketing around privacy.

Microsoft burned that bridge a long time ago. They feel sleazy. Maybe if they haven't violated their users trust over and over again, people would be more receptive.

sockedthn 3 hours ago||
What did I just read? Microsoft has employed this person? They are paying him a salary?
devin 8 hours ago|
At this particular moment in time, the old quote about "the market can remain irrational longer than you can remain solvent" feels relevant on a couple of levels. I keep waiting for the bubble to burst and for these executives to be forced into finally confronting the realities of this technology, but it is taking a very long time indeed.
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