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Posted by thewebguyd 11/19/2025

Microsoft AI CEO pushes back against critics after recent Windows AI backlash(www.windowscentral.com)
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wellthisisgreat 11/21/2025|
Every person I consider smart / intellectually engaged, curious, regardless of the age, profession and affiliation with tech companies is actually deeply impressed by LLMs either by themselves or if they encounter what LLMs can do.

LLM bashers either feel threatened by them (most likely they come from creative professions and don’t want to learn new tools - it took years to learn how to draw and suddenly you have nano-banana - that may sting) or just latch on to the hater bandwagon because hey it’s sooo cooool to bash techies - take it nerds. Or engineers who can’t stand the fact that someone can actually leapfrog 5-6 years they spent adapting to new tools.

LLM is a VERY new tool, it’s not easy to master, it requires a change of mindset (it’s not “press a button get a LED light up” type of experience).

People are just lazy - that’s normal.

People who bring up ethics are actually masquerading their laziness with some holier than though posturing that’s inherently empty. The moment it starts benefit them or LLMs get easy enough for them to use they’ll switch their tune.

Name ONE instance where technological progress has been discarded in favor of “ethics”.

5 years later it will be unethical to NOT use LLMs like it’s unethical to submit handwritten documents so that ppl have to suffer through your handwriting - ethics adapt to people not the other way around, otherwise it’s some religious nut job territory.

Yawn, h8rs gonna h8, progress gonna progress.

wkat4242 11/20/2025||
He just says what he needs to say in order to accomplish his company's goals: selling lots of AI.

That makes him as trustworthy as a used car salesman.

I mean I think there's a niche where AI is useful but it's not for all the things they're trying to push it for.

It's the metaverse and blockchain hypes all over again. Always trying to cram it into situations where it adds no value and even detracts. Instead of focusing on the ones where it really does.

ryandrake 11/21/2025||
He is deliberately and disingenuously missing the point. It's not that we are unimpressed by AI (although we might be). The problem is companies that are coercing users to use it by jamming it everywhere and making decisions on the user's behalf by turning it on when it's unwanted.

I am the master and commander of my computer. It should not execute anything without my deliberately commanding it to. But that's not good enough for Microsoft. They see themselves as the commander of my computer. My computer should do what they want it to do, not what I want. And it should be really hard for the user to take back control. This coercion is what we are objecting to, not the actual capabilities of the software.

antisthenes 11/21/2025||
AI CEO or AI CEO?

Did they finally start replacing them with AI?

zingababba 11/21/2025||
Both. AI AI CEO.
red-iron-pine 11/21/2025||
inshallah
mightysashiman 11/21/2025||
The power of (self-)endoctrination in action
pinkmuffinere 11/20/2025||
> people are unimpressed that we can have a fluent conversation with a super smart AI that can generate any image/video

> super smart

were there any US presidents named Bob?

No U.S. president has ever gone by “Bob” as a first name or nickname.

A few presidents had “Robert” in their full name, but none were commonly known as Bob:

James Abram Garfield — middle name Abram, not Robert

James Earl Carter Jr. (Jimmy Carter) — no Robert

George Herbert Walker Bush / George Walker Bush — no Robert

William Jefferson Clinton — no Robert

Barack Hussein Obama II — no Robert

...

The response continues at decent length here, in much the same vein: https://chatgpt.com/share/691eb846-8198-8010-bd3d-975fe1778d...

1bpp 11/20/2025||
I just asked this myself:

"No. There has never been a U.S. President whose first name was “Bob.” A few presidents had names that could be shortened to Bob—most commonly Robert—but no U.S. President has had the first name Robert, either. (There have been presidents with middle name Robert, such as James Earl “Jimmy” Carter Jr., but that’s different.) So: no Presidents named Bob, and none named Robert as their first name.

> Jimmy?

(generic summary of who Jimmy Carter is)

> So he also isn't a Robert.

Correct — there have been no U.S. Presidents with the first name Robert.

A few had middle name Robert (e.g., James Robert “Jimmy” Carter does not have Robert as a middle name, for clarity — his middle name is Earl), but no president’s given first name has been Robert.

So your original statement stands: No “Bob” No “Robert”

Want a list of presidents by first name to double-check?"

My favorite part is it desperately inserting a Robert into Jimmy Carter's name to appease the context. I wonder if a diffusion based LLM would avoid that kind of failure.

pinkmuffinere 11/20/2025||
lol ya, the Jimmy Carter thread is amazing, these quotes sound like something out of a standup bit

> There have been presidents with middle name Robert, such as James Earl “Jimmy” Carter Jr., but that’s different.

> James Robert “Jimmy” Carter does not have Robert as a middle name, for clarity — his middle name is Earl

rsynnott 11/20/2025||
... Bloody hell. I do not routinely talk to our magical robot overlords, but I had vaguely assumed that they were better than that at this point.

> George Herbert Walker Bush / George Walker Bush — no Robert

I do like how it seems to have decided that Bush I and Bush II are the same person.

pinkmuffinere 11/20/2025||
To be fair, it’s pretty good at some things. But it’s often hard to tell in advance which things, and it can fail on really dumb stuff. Like I don’t know why “presidents named Bob” sets it off.
nipperkinfeet 11/20/2025||
I'll be impressed when they manage to fix Windows 11! There are still many regressions compared to Windows XP through 10. They can add all this AI nonsense to the taskbar, yet they can't reinstate the features people have been asking for.
thewebguyd 11/20/2025||
Meanwhile we get a react native web app for a start menu, and you can't even move the taskbar's location on the screen. A feature that has existed in Windows since 95.

Something is seriously dysfunctional in Microsoft.

vjvjvjvjghv 11/20/2025||
Unfortunately Apple seems to be gong the same way. On Mac and iPhone I am seeing more things that don’t work well.
CMay 11/20/2025||
The technology is amazing, but Microsoft has no imagination in the way they try to make use of it. It's sad. It also legitimately hurts society that they are further blurring the line between what is an offline and online experience in Windows, which I fully and openly reject in the strongest of terms.

Also, Co-pilot objectively sucks and is a lying disinformation machine that has rarely helped me with anything.

Trust is Microsoft's greatest asset and they don't seem to have any champions inside the company that can tell these people they are destroying the company's trust.

Bing has been broken for a year now and nobody has fixed it. ATROCIOUSLY broken. That hurts trust.

captainkrtek 11/22/2025||
> The fact that people are unimpressed that we can have a fluent conversation with a super smart AI that can generate any image/video is mindblowing to me.

It's gimmicky and it seems the only people "impressed" or "mindblown" with AI content are boomers on Facebook.

Any time I see some obviously AI generated content, whether it be some LinkedIn-influencer type or some blog spam that got well ranked on SEO, I'm immediately disgusted. The internet is eating itself.

RandyOrion 11/20/2025|
Wow. This CEO effectively says that he loves AI things in Windows therefore all Windows users who hate AI things should just get fucked and suffer from his decisions.
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