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Posted by iamnothere 11/19/2025

The patent office is about to make bad patents untouchable(www.eff.org)
619 points | 91 commentspage 2
silexia 11/20/2025|
This is critically important and I filed a comment on behalf of my 250 full time employees at Coalition Technologies. We have been harassed by patent trolls and it is a nightmare.
zoobab 11/20/2025|
Well, that's what happen when you apply patents to software.

There are large corporations (IBM, Qualcomm, Nokia, etc...) lobbying Congress and the Senate to restore software patents via the PERA bill, while the lobbying from small and medium software companies is very low.

williamcotton 11/20/2025||
If you want the patent holders to lose, NPEs or otherwise, then you want to fight through litigation and not the incredibly high bar set by the IPR. IPRs are expensive, time consuming and difficult. I've mainly seen them used strategically to encourage the court to grant a stay. Continuing litigation by focusing on invalidity contentions in response to infringement contentions is a better path forward.

A successful IPR will most likely need multiple forms of prior art. Each prior art must cover every independent and dependent claim of the patent in question, either through anticipation or combined obviousness.

Typical infringement contentions will not cover every claim and are therefore easier to defend.

karlkloss 11/20/2025||
Did you notice that LFP batteries became more prevalent and much cheaper recently? That's because some key patents expired.

The same thing happened with 3D printing a while ago. It only took off after the patents expired.

Patents are a pest. They're just another mechanism to pump money from below to above.

mschuster91 11/20/2025|
> Patents are a pest. They're just another mechanism to pump money from below to above.

Patents are a way to make sure inventors are getting compensated for their R&D work and risk.

I do agree with your observation though - IMHO, the "exclusivity" period of a patent should last five years, and for the 15 years after that, patent holders should be mandated to license out their patent at reasonable pricing.

ktallett 11/20/2025||
Should the way they get compensated not be by creating a useful output with said development?
williamcotton 11/20/2025||
And everyone has access to the capital to do so? Or the business acumen?
rdsubhas 11/19/2025||
Thank you EFF.
EarlKing 11/19/2025|
You can thank them properly by submitting a comment on this matter and add your voice to the chorus so the proposed ruling gets shoved right back into the orifice it was pulled from.
freejazz 11/20/2025||
IPR's are generally used by Big Tech companies and I have no idea how EFF's position could be construed as in the interest of the general public at all.
Anamon 11/23/2025|
Read TFA. The EFF has apparently helped successfully fight several patent trolls using this process, which is good for everybody.
freejazz 11/24/2025||
Look up the definition of the word "generally" and then go check the docket and then get back to me
pdonis 11/20/2025||
I submitted a comment.
HPsquared 11/19/2025||
Ah, more IP sclerosis. Great.
anon3654648 11/20/2025||
Could someone make an LLM that is only trained up to the day before a patent was filed, then ask it to solve the problem at hand.

Hopefully it would come up with the patented idea and thus 'prove' it is obvious and thus not able to be patented. Then you could make different vintage LLMs and basically spam them at trolls to invalidate the patents.

...just a thought from a lurker

mlinksva 11/28/2025|
I've had approximately the same thought, to different but complementary ends "More generally (not covered in this question) perhaps this could also be a fun way to interrogate the tech tree, e.g., what could have been discovered given the data at a given cutoff, how early or late certain advancements came, etc." https://manifold.markets/MikeLinksvayer/llm-trained-on-data-...

Would love to see it!

WhyUVoteGarbage 11/19/2025||
The deadline for comments was November 17.
iamnothere 11/19/2025||
It’s December 2 as explained in the article and the page on regulations.gov. Where do you see Nov 17?
johnea 11/20/2025||
Via the link in the article to: Revision to Rules of Practice Before the Patent Trial and Appeal Board

https://www.federalregister.gov/documents/2025/10/17/2025-19...

It would be nice to have some confirmation, but I'm assuming there was an extension.

Given that EFF and the comment form at regulations.gov cite Dec 2nd.

In any case, I'm filing my comment now, and encouraging others to do so as well.

Anyone who's ever been through any kind of patent process should understand just how egregious this is...

greensoap 11/20/2025|||
There was an extension. I don't have link handy, but an extra 15 days were provided.
adrianmonk 11/23/2025|||
After you click the "SUBMIT A PUBLIC COMMENT" button (on the page you linked), you then see a message that says, "Comments are due 12/02/2025 at 11:59 pm EST."

I think a better UI design would be to show that info before you press the button, but my main point is that they are apparently still accepting comments.

dcassett 11/20/2025||
As of now the web page indicates "Comment Period Ends: 12 Days"
senderista 11/20/2025|
Um, the public comment form lists first and last name as required fields (with address and phone number optional), then at the bottom includes this warning:

"Do not submit personally identifiable information through this form."

dcassett 11/20/2025||
The form gives the option to identify as an individual, an organization, or anonymous, and below the selections gives this note: "Note: If you choose to identify as Anonymous, the option to enter your email address for submission confirmation is not available."
mrandish 11/20/2025|||
The form will accept "Anonymous" for first, last. It would be nice if it actually said this...
jibal 11/20/2025||
Um, the point is to not associate personal information with your name, which would make that information "personally identifiable".