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Posted by vrnvu 8 hours ago

Ghostty is now non-profit(mitchellh.com)
780 points | 152 commentspage 3
srameshc 7 hours ago|
I never realize Ghostty is a project by Mitchell Hashimoto. I am very happy with tmux and never seriously looked at it , now I really curious what is it about and how it is different than say tmux ?
simonw 6 hours ago||
It's not an alternative to tmux, it's an alternative to the macOS Terminal.app or iTerm2.

You can run tmux inside Ghostty.

dmit 6 hours ago|||
To be fair, you can also run tmux inside tmux (inside Zellij, inside another tmux, inside screen, etc). :)
nurettin 6 hours ago|||
For those who will read this literally, it works fine on linux as well.
ubercore 6 hours ago|||
It's a terminal, not a multiplexer. Different type of product.
alwillis 1 hour ago||
tmux is another terminal layer inside of any terminal.

Newer terminal apps like WezTerm have a multiplexer built-in.

nodesocket 7 hours ago||
I love Mitchell’s X post awhile back:

“What the monetization strategy of Ghostty?”

“My monetization strategy is that my bank account has 10 digits in it…” lol, epic.

maxmoehl 6 hours ago||
Original post: https://x.com/mitchellh/status/1964785527741427940

> I get asked the same about terminals all the time. “How will you turn this into a business? What’s the monetization strategy?” The monetization strategy is that my bank account has 3 commas mate.

trueno 3 hours ago||
tres commas and doors that go like this

chad

losvedir 7 hours ago||
Ha. That counts the cents, though, I assume? I didn't think Hashicorp was that big, right?
Romario77 5 hours ago|||
Hashicorp was sold for 6.5B to IBM.

Another thing - when it went public it was valued at 13B and Hashimoto owned 8.5% of it according to the filing.

So, depending on when he sold or converted his shares it is pretty plausible that he got a billion.

nodesocket 6 hours ago||||
Shockingly I believe billionaire with a B. They timed the acquisition nearly perfect in terms of market conditions. Tres comma club!!!
asadm 5 hours ago|||
was that big
alphazard 3 hours ago||
I have yet to see a way that this software is better than leading terminal emulators like Alacritty and WezTerm. Alacritty is simple and blazing fast, WezTerm has a Lua API and is as complicated as you want it to be.

All of the fuss seems to be entirely driven by Mitchell's clout, and maybe some interest in Zig. Given that's the real reason everyone is talking about Ghostty (which I'm happy to be wrong about, let me know), It raises the question: Is crowding out other projects in a space, so that a billionaire can have a side project, really something we should be excited about? Unless the software is actually good, it seems like this is just an attention suck away from better software that could use it.

GCUMstlyHarmls 30 minutes ago||
For me, Alacritty and Foot do not support ligatures, Kitty does now but I personally find the maintainers behaviour a bit abrasive. Wezterm is great but I found it noticeably slow in some (dumb) instances -- eg 144fps rendering of games, input latency and had issues on wayland at some point.

Dunno if that makes Ghostty "better" than other terminals, probably not. It just ticks the boxes of ligatures, fast, integration with wayland, simple amount of configuration to work how I want. It also seemed to have a focus on "correctness" which I appreciate. I don't use any of the tab/ssh/whatever features. I know ligatures are the new vi-vs-emacs religious war. Without that single feature-request, I'd probably just use foot. Swapping terminal also isn't that hard, it'd easily swap to something else if it gave me a reason.

I do think its reasonable to question focus on a millionaires toy with a large social presence vs other projects, helped by the somewhat --if not intentional, at least side-effecting -- hype-focused release style of Ghostty. Would it be nearly as successful if it were released anonymously at a 1.0? Probably not? Maybe? It does score highly in sort of arbitrary feature & performance benchmarks so it would probably still have a number of users without the name attached.

alwillis 36 minutes ago|||
> All of the fuss seems to be entirely driven by Mitchell's clout, and maybe some interest in Zig.

Nope, that's not it.

It's mostly because he noticed the majority of terminal applications were okay but not great. So he decides to address this by creating a cross-platform terminal app that's faster and more compatible than pretty much every existing terminal app. And has a native macOS UI written in Swift without compromising its cross-platform features.

Kind of out of nowhere, Ghostty is in the conversation of being the best terminal app available. "Best" doesn't mean the most features; but it nails speed and compatibility. (I’d love to see iTerm switch to using libghostty in the near future. That would be a killer combination!)

From "State of Terminal Emulators in 2025: The Errant Champions": [1]

Before presenting the latest results, Ghostty warrants particular attention, not only because it scored the highest among all terminals tested, but that it was publicly released only this year by Mitchell Hashimoto. It is a significant advancement. Developed from scratch in Zig, the Unicode support implementation is thoroughly correct

In 2023, Mitchell published Grapheme Clusters and Terminal Emulators, demonstrating a commitment to understanding and implementing the fundamentals. His recent announcement of libghostty provides a welcome alternative to libvte, potentially enabling a new generation of terminals on a foundation of strong Unicode support.

[1]: https://www.jeffquast.com/post/state-of-terminal-emulation-2...

spott 1 hour ago|||
Libghostty is a pretty huge contribution.
maccard 3 hours ago|||
Alacritty is “barebones” and doesn’t have modern features like… tabs.

Wezterm fits the vim/emacs bill of “make it whatever you want”. I want something in between - iTerm2 for 2025. Stuff like secure input on macOS is something that is just nice - it behaves like a real platform app and not jsut the lowest common denominator loosely ported.

They say in the docs it’s not the best at anything, but it’s competitive in performance, features, and extensibility and that combo is a winner for me (personally)

dmytrokow 3 hours ago||
> Alacritty is “barebones” and doesn’t have modern features like... tabs.

It does. And the barebones complaint is literally funny (I'm mentally giggling) because Ghostty didn't have modern features like... search, literally 4 days ago https://github.com/ghostty-org/ghostty/pull/9756

That's why I'm staying on Alacritty on my company mac.

skywhopper 2 hours ago||
This is a terrible comment. Everyone should use the terminal that works for them and anyone who wants to write a terminal should do so. Ghostty is great. I’ve heard Alacritty is great.
alphazard 1 hour ago||
This doesn't engage with my comment at all other than to say that you personally found it unpleasant.

If it's true that Alacritty and Ghostty are both great, Alacritty must be some different kind of great because it has a large number of users due only to its own merits, and not due to the online following of the author.

mmaunder 4 hours ago||
Thanks for doing this Mitchell, if you're on here, and for contributing to open source. Donated.
throwaway29827 6 hours ago||
So the same Hack Club from https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=45913663 is now managing donations. Yeah, I don't think I'm gonna be donating to Ghostty any time soon. Just seems like a deeply unserious organization all around.
patcon 48 minutes ago|
they are great, and I feel your concern is misplaced.

when you support literally thousands of teenagers over the internet (the delightfully overconfident, inexperienced, famous-for-trolling humans that they are) and literally only a handful have beef with you, you are running a really solid ship

rvz 7 hours ago||
Smart decision and makes sense.

Lowers the risk of a rug pull or the project becoming suddenly abandoned.

Reminds me of Signal.

tolerance 5 hours ago||
Is anyone opposed or at least of two minds concerning what could be described as the bureaucratization of FOSS?

Or has this always been a thing. But it feels like a common—and celebrated—outcome for a lot of projects.

chrysoprace 4 hours ago||
Non-profits allow projects to grow beyond hobbies. Covering costs (whether that's the expense of hosting / running the project or hiring talented people to work on it) is going to be a better incentive to keep the projects alive in the long term, meaning that people can rely on them instead of being wary that the project might become abandonware in a year.
skywhopper 5 hours ago||
Ever heard of the Free Software Foundation? Apache Software Foundation? FreeBSD Foundation? Linux Foundation?
itarmonkey 5 hours ago||
we got hack club sponsorship in HS. Sanil chawla is a great guy
hsbauauvhabzb 5 hours ago||
Hey articles like this could get some value with a two liner about what the tool is, tty can mean several things, so clearly stating its function would help gain additional users that aren’t already familiar with your product :)
LennyHenrysNuts 7 hours ago|
...and another $150k from my family...

Wow.

sethops1 6 hours ago||
Not to dismiss the generosity, but he's a billionaire.

A millionaire donating the relative equivalent would be $150.

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