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Posted by mips_avatar 15 hours ago

Everyone in Seattle hates AI(jonready.com)
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pnathan 13 hours ago|
AI the hype beast product and the club for workers is a plague that I frankly hate.

AI the manual algorithm to generate code and analyze images is quite an interesting underlying tech.

stogot 8 hours ago||
> And then came the final insult: everyone was forced to use Microsoft's AI tools whether they worked or not.

Copilot for Word. Copilot for PowerPoint. Copilot for email. Copilot for code. Worse than the tools they replaced. Worse than competitors' tools. Sometimes worse than doing the work manually.

This is revolting. Three years ago I’d have said this is a terrible black mirror plot

blairanderson 13 hours ago||
Seattle is going to tax the fuck out of big-tech, for better or worse.
alex1138 9 hours ago||
AI/LLMs provide an absolutely perfect excuse for halfwit managers and other fail upwards type people

I hate the entire premise even though some of it has been useful but at worst you're creating code and/or information that's just wrong and "can get someone killed" (metaphorical, but also probably literal), you're creating absolutely unrealistic expectations

Zuck said they'd be able to replace engineers with AI. Well, that tells you everything you need to know, doesn't it? With all of the scandals Facebook properties have had over the years. A real engineer/competent CEO wouldn't say that

neilv 13 hours ago||
Lots of creators (e.g., writers, illustrators, voice actors) hate "AI" too.

Not only because it's destroying creator jobs while also ripping off creators, but it's also producing shit that's offensively bad to professionals.

One thing that people in tech circles might not be aware of is that people outside of tech circles aren't thinking that tech workers are smart. They haven't thought that for a long time. They are generally thinking that tech workers are dimwit exploiter techbros, screwing over everyone. This started before "AI", but now "AI" (and tech billionaires backing certain political elements) has poured gasoline on the fire. Good luck getting dates with people from outside our field of employment. (You could try making your dating profile all about enjoying hiking and dabbling with your acoustic guitar, but they'll quickly know you're the enemy, as soon as you drive up in a Tesla, or as soon you say "actually..." before launching into a libertarian economics spiel over coffee.)

int_19h 3 hours ago|
You have a very cartoon villain image of tech workers in your head. While Tesla-driving libertarian techbros are certainly a thing, this doesn't even accurately represent the majority of employees in Big Tech, nevermind the industry as a whole.
ToucanLoucan 14 hours ago||
Literally everyone I know is sick of AI. Sick of it being crowbar'd into tools we already use and find value in. Sick of it being hyped at us as though it's a tech moment it simply isn't. Sick of companies playing at being forward thinking and new despite selling the same old shit but they've bolted a chatbot to it, so now it's "AI." Sick of integrations and products that just plain do not fucking work.

I wouldn't shit talk you to your face if you're making an AI thing. However I also understand the frustration and the exhaustion with it, and to be blunt, if a product advertises AI in it, I immediately do treat it more skeptically. If the features are opt-in, fine. If however it seems like the sort of thing that's going to start spamming me with Clippy-style "let our AI do your work for you!" popups whilst I'm trying to learn your fucking software, I will get aggravated extremely fast.

venturecruelty 14 hours ago|
Oh, I will happily get in your face and tell you your AI garbage sucks. I'm not afraid of these people, and you shouldn't be, either. Bring back social pressure. We successfully shamed Google Glassholes into obscurity, we can do it again. This shit has infested entire operating systems now, all so someone can get another billion dollars, while the rest of us struggle to make rent. It's made my career miserable, for so many reasons. It's made my daily life miserable. I'm so sick and tired of it.
ThrowawayR2 13 hours ago|||
> "shamed Google Glassholes into obscurity"

Except it didn't stick? https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43088369

marcosdumay 14 hours ago||||
> This shit has infested entire operating systems now

Well, it's not the fault on a random person doing some project that may even be cool.

I'll certainly adjust my priors and start treating the person as probably an idiot. But if given evidence they are not, I'm interested on what they are doing.

ToucanLoucan 14 hours ago|||
The thing that stops me being outwardly hostile is that there are a minority, and it is a minor, minor minority, of applications for AI that are actually pretty interesting and useful. It's just catastrophically oversaturated with samey garbage that does nothing.

I'm all for shaming people who just link to ChatGPT and call their whatever thing AI powered. If you're actually doing some work though and doing something interesting, I'll hear you out.

decimalenough 13 hours ago||
While everybody else is ranting about AI, I'll rant about something else: trip planning apps. There have been literally thousands of attempts at this and AFAICT precisely zero have ever gotten any traction. There are two intractable problems in this space.

1) A third party app simply cannot compete with Google Maps on coverage, accuracy and being up to date. Yes, there are APIs you can use to access this, but they're expensive and limited, which leads us to the second problem:

2) You can't make money off them. Nobody will pay to use your app (because there's so much free competition), and the monetization opportunities are very limited. It's too late in the flow to sell flights, you can't compete with Booking etc for hotel search, and big ticket attractions don't pay commissions for referrals. That leaves you with referrals for tours, but people who pay for tours are not the ones trying to DIY their trip planning in the first place.

b_e_n_t_o_n 11 hours ago||
There just isn't much friction between having a few tabs open (maps, booking site, airplane site, google search) and a notepad. The friction of searching for an app, downloading it, and then learning how to use it is just higher.

So many products are like this - it sounds good on paper to consolidate a bunch of tasks in one place but it's not without costs and the benefit is just not very high.

brokencode 12 hours ago|||
I use and pay for Wanderlog. Idk how their business is doing, but I love it as a user. They use an embedded Google Maps viewer for locations, so there is no problem for coverage.
cube00 10 hours ago||
> They use an embedded Google Maps viewer for locations

If they become popular they'll have to move to OSM, Google's steep charging for their Maps API at high usage that has brought companies to their knees is well known [1].

[1]: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=35089776

debesyla 12 hours ago||
It's just another business/service niche that is solved until the current Big Provider becomes Evil or goes under.

Similar to "made for everyone" social networks and video upload platforms.

But there are niches that are trip planning + there are no one solving the pain! For example Geocaching. I always dreamed about an easy way to plan Geocaching routes to travel and find interesting caches on the way. Currently you gotta filter them out and then eyeball the map what seems to be nearby, despite there, maybe, not being any real roads there, or the cache is probably maybe actually lost or has to be accessed at specific time of day.

So... No one wants apps that are already solved + boring.

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