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Posted by mips_avatar 12/3/2025

Everyone in Seattle hates AI(jonready.com)
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piljoong 12/3/2025|
This isn’t really a common-folk-vs-tech-bros story. It’s about one specific part of Seattle’s tech culture reacting to AI hype. People outside that circle often have very different incentives.
pnathan 12/3/2025||
AI the hype beast product and the club for workers is a plague that I frankly hate.

AI the manual algorithm to generate code and analyze images is quite an interesting underlying tech.

blairanderson 12/3/2025||
Seattle is going to tax the fuck out of big-tech, for better or worse.
neilv 12/3/2025||
Lots of creators (e.g., writers, illustrators, voice actors) hate "AI" too.

Not only because it's destroying creator jobs while also ripping off creators, but it's also producing shit that's offensively bad to professionals.

One thing that people in tech circles might not be aware of is that people outside of tech circles aren't thinking that tech workers are smart. They haven't thought that for a long time. They are generally thinking that tech workers are dimwit exploiter techbros, screwing over everyone. This started before "AI", but now "AI" (and tech billionaires backing certain political elements) has poured gasoline on the fire. Good luck getting dates with people from outside our field of employment. (You could try making your dating profile all about enjoying hiking and dabbling with your acoustic guitar, but they'll quickly know you're the enemy, as soon as you drive up in a Tesla, or as soon you say "actually..." before launching into a libertarian economics spiel over coffee.)

int_19h 12/4/2025|
You have a very cartoon villain image of tech workers in your head. While Tesla-driving libertarian techbros are certainly a thing, this doesn't even accurately represent the majority of employees in Big Tech, nevermind the industry as a whole.
neilv 12/4/2025||
What impression do you think non-tech workers have of tech workers, these days.
int_19h 12/4/2025||
Probably quite similar. But your comment above is clearly assuming that said impression is real.
decimalenough 12/3/2025||
While everybody else is ranting about AI, I'll rant about something else: trip planning apps. There have been literally thousands of attempts at this and AFAICT precisely zero have ever gotten any traction. There are two intractable problems in this space.

1) A third party app simply cannot compete with Google Maps on coverage, accuracy and being up to date. Yes, there are APIs you can use to access this, but they're expensive and limited, which leads us to the second problem:

2) You can't make money off them. Nobody will pay to use your app (because there's so much free competition), and the monetization opportunities are very limited. It's too late in the flow to sell flights, you can't compete with Booking etc for hotel search, and big ticket attractions don't pay commissions for referrals. That leaves you with referrals for tours, but people who pay for tours are not the ones trying to DIY their trip planning in the first place.

b_e_n_t_o_n 12/3/2025||
There just isn't much friction between having a few tabs open (maps, booking site, airplane site, google search) and a notepad. The friction of searching for an app, downloading it, and then learning how to use it is just higher.

So many products are like this - it sounds good on paper to consolidate a bunch of tasks in one place but it's not without costs and the benefit is just not very high.

brokencode 12/3/2025|||
I use and pay for Wanderlog. Idk how their business is doing, but I love it as a user. They use an embedded Google Maps viewer for locations, so there is no problem for coverage.
cube00 12/4/2025|||
> They use an embedded Google Maps viewer for locations

If they become popular they'll have to move to OSM, Google's steep charging for their Maps API at high usage that has brought companies to their knees is well known [1].

[1]: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=35089776

brokencode 12/4/2025||
“They’ll have to” is a pretty strong statement assuming you don’t actually have insider information on their API spending.

For now, they do use Google Maps and I’m happy with it. If they stop and it’s no longer as useful to me, maybe I’ll stop using it.

Esophagus4 12/4/2025|||
Love Wanderlog!

But I use it as a glorified notes app to keep track of flights, reservations, rental cars, confirmation numbers, etc, in one place, not for trip planning.

brokencode 12/4/2025||
They do have user generated lists to help find things to do, but yeah, I mainly use it for organizing ideas and building my final itinerary. It’s really nice for this. I can then also share the itinerary with everybody else on the trip.
mips_avatar 12/4/2025|||
That’s why I built all my geo infrastructure from scratch from osm, there’s still some issues but for AI location grounding it outperforms google places for $300/mo
coolThingsFirst 12/5/2025||
Google has monopoly of places API, I tried foursquare and their public dataset and got tons of wrong locations of the places. It even got the location of the Eiffel tower wrong.
mips_avatar 12/6/2025||
That’s why you have to make your own geocoder
coolThingsFirst 12/6/2025||
How and how precise is the end data?
debesyla 12/3/2025||
It's just another business/service niche that is solved until the current Big Provider becomes Evil or goes under.

Similar to "made for everyone" social networks and video upload platforms.

But there are niches that are trip planning + there are no one solving the pain! For example Geocaching. I always dreamed about an easy way to plan Geocaching routes to travel and find interesting caches on the way. Currently you gotta filter them out and then eyeball the map what seems to be nearby, despite there, maybe, not being any real roads there, or the cache is probably maybe actually lost or has to be accessed at specific time of day.

So... No one wants apps that are already solved + boring.

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