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Posted by italophil 6 days ago

Rubio stages font coup: Times New Roman ousts Calibri(www.reuters.com)
https://archive.md/x0Sxc
404 points | 690 commentspage 14
thesagan 5 days ago||
Once again Garamond is passed over. I truly live in dark times.
Cryptoclidus 5 days ago||
Bullshit looks better with serifs?
int0x29 6 days ago||
Ah yes Calibri is now "DEI". Rubio don't you have a real job?
ropable 5 days ago||
It's beyond satire that US conservatives are now somehow upset about certain fonts being woke.
js2 6 days ago||
Previously:

Times New Roman is being phased out at the State Department, replaced by Calibri

207 points|danso|3 years ago|256 comments

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=34427504

porridgeraisin 6 days ago|
HN commentors on this font change harp on about how it's a waste of time (which it of course is), but that font change seemed to receive a more bland reaction. Funny.
causal 6 days ago||
Well yeah? It's not about the font, it's about the pettiness of the declared reasons for the reversal
yincrash 6 days ago||
Even if you believe the previous administration switching fonts was virtue signaling, then by the same logic you have to also believe this is just virtue signalling.
cogman10 6 days ago||
I'm really out of the loop on this.

What virtue is being signaled by who?

I know people get real touchy about fonts, but I have a hard time understanding why this is even a news article.

epolanski 6 days ago|||
Because politicians are making political choices on fonts rather than leaving those matters to technicians.
Eduard 6 days ago||||
Just guessing from what is written in the article: Calibri once was chosen by the former administration for accessibility reasons. Maybe the virtue signaling being that Calibri isn't great with respect to accessibility (and IMHO wasn't even designed for it in the first place).
amiga386 6 days ago||||
Per the State Department in 2023:

https://x.com/John_Hudson/status/1615486871571935232

> fonts like Times New Roman have serifs ("wings" and "feet") or decorative, angular features that can introduce accessibility issues for individuals with disabilities who use Optical Character Recognition technology or screen readers. It can also cause visual recognition issues for individuals with learning disabilities.

> On January 4, 2023, in support of the Department's iCount Campaign on disability inclusion (reftels), Secretary Blinken directed the Department to use a more accessible font. Calibri has no wings and feet and is the default font in Microsoft products and was recommended as an accessibility best practice by the Secretary's Office of Diversity and Inclusion in collaboration with the Executive Secretariat and the Bureau of Global Talent Management's Office of Accessibility and Accommodations.

In 2023, the US State Department signalled how virtuous it was, by moving from the previously-default MS Office font to the then-currently-default MS Office font. The current MS Office default font is Aptos, place your bets on what the State Department is going to switch the font to in 3 years time.

As far as I know, font choice has no zero effect on screen readers, which ask compatible software what words are on screen and read them out. There is evidence that serifs cause visual recognition issues for some individuals, but there's also evidence they aid recognition for different individuals.

It probably helped everyone to choose 14pt Calibri over 12pt Times New Roman, as the font is more legible on LCD screens.

The virtue being signalled by the current administration is that everything their predecessors did was wrong and they're literally going to reverse everything out of sheer pettiness. If anything, they should acknowledge the president's long friendship with Epstein and pick Gill Sans as the default. That would be the ultimate "anti-woke" move I think.

lurk2 6 days ago||||
Calibri is a Sans Serif font and because it has been the default Microsoft Office font for more than a decade, it is fake email job haver coded (i.e. it appeals to young and middle-aged women who work in HR, this demographic being predominantly Democrat). Times New Roman is a Serif font which looks old and official to cater to boomers and has Roman in it to appeal to Zoomers who want to RETVRN with a V to tradition.

(I didn’t read the article as this is a non-story, but I’m definitely right).

tom_ 5 days ago||
As if anybody would be daft enough to deny that you are of course absolutely right, https://www.nytimes.com/2025/12/09/us/politics/rubio-state-d... has this additional detail:

> Mr. Rubio's directive, under the subject line "Return to Tradition: Times New Roman 14-Point Font Required for All Department Paper,"

aprilthird2021 6 days ago|||
Yep, I've seen what craziness happens when the admin is woke, and I've seen the craziness when it's "anti-woke" and I preferred woke. At least woke didn't kidnap people into unmarked vans for writing a college newspaper article. I don't agree with woke, but they won't send me to Guatemala torture prison bc I don't agree
blueflow 6 days ago||
No? If signalling led to an decision, the reversal is not automatically signalling based. Calibri is just not a good font.
anilakar 6 days ago||
> present a unified, professional voice in all communications

Might want to start by banning tweeting then.

ModernMech 6 days ago|
Professionalism: "Quiet piggy. Are you stupid? You don't have to embarrass our guest by asking a question like that. You're a terrible reporter. Horrible. Insubordinate. You're ugly both inside and out, and a nasty person."
jennyholzer 5 days ago||
I am staunchly anti-Republican.

In my opinion, the sole cultural domain in which Republicans are far stronger than Democrats is graphic design.

If you do not have a strong graphic design background, I'd urge you to avoid taking sides on this matter on the basis of party affiliation.

This is good politics from the Republicans.

In my opinion it is disastrous for Democrats to align themselves with mediocre cultural products.

Microsoft has a very close relationship with the US government and over the last 20+ years has demonstrated extremely low quality standards. The US government's shift to using Calibri is clearly a consequence of this close relationship.

Claims about the "readability" of Calibri in comparison to Times New Roman are spurious and unverifiable; very seriously type foundries say things this about every single new typeface released.

Frankly, Calibri is an ugly and poorly designed typeface. It is Microsoft's Vista-era Helvetica dupe. It is inferior to Times New Roman.

If you're defending Calibri over the most popular typeface of all time, I hope it's (somehow) coming from an aesthetically minded place

throw03172019 6 days ago|
I’m surprised this administration did not chose Comic Sans as the default font.
user____name 6 days ago||
Rubio looks more like a Papyrus person.
alamortsubite 6 days ago||
Can Comic Sans do all caps?
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